Compass cancer growing

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Lately Compass has been flying NWA routes with NWA flight numbers.

A DC9 crew showed up at their gate only to find that a Compass aircraft was flying their flight, and Dispatch never told crew scheduling about the change.
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"For those that trashed their Feb Airline Pilot Mag. or those that may have read theirs, I wanted to get comments on these notable quotes.

To start off , I was shocked at the cover caption also as has been pointed out in other threads. But, on further reading of the articles, I was surprised to find these quotes, especially in the �COMPASS PILOTS PLOT NEW COURSE� By John Perkinson, staff writer

Under: Compromised Beginnings;

�Specifically, the Northwest pilots expressed concerns about how management might outsource routes for the airline�s DC-9- an aging fleet the airline is in the process of retiring� So much for concern��.they are flying our segments with our flight numbers now and not just -9 but 320 segments also.

Under: Airline within an airline;

� �If compass expands its operation to include pilot bases in Detroit and Memphis,� says Hay, �the Compass pilots would be represented by Northwest LEC20 in Detroit and Northwest LEC 54 in Memphis� � MEMPHIS LEC IS 74, must be a typo, or Ron Hay one of the NWA pilots appointed by the MEC to negotiate the Compass contract must have been misquoted about MEM and the ALPA staff writer, John Perkinson doesn�t check. his facts out in his articles.

�Continental Express pilots had separate status representatives (i.e., a captain rep, a first offer rep) within the LEC configuration, Northwest and Compass pilots at the same base are represented by same status reps� Now I�m confused, don�t we, Northwest have CA, FO, SO reps in our LEC�s

Under: With a little help form their friends;

In bold red type, �The future of the Compass pilot group looks promising-the Northwest airline family has embraced the Compass pilots, and the Northwest MEC is devoting substantial resources to the presentation of Compass pilots� SUBSTANTIAL RESOURCES!!!!!!!!!

� �Several meetings have transpired involving the discussion of ideas, issues, and general pilot concerns. The RedTail News e-newsletter is a direct result of that ongoing dialogue and will serve as a vehicle to build unity within the Northwest family of flying.� Barnett says�
Ron Barnett is the other NWA pilot appointed by the NWA MEC. Where do I find the � The RedTail News e-newsletter� ?

Under: Future;

�Beginning in early 2010, Compass pilots will flow into entry-level pilot positions at Northwest at a rate of 20 per month� It looks like they are already flowing in but with their planes and our routes.

�and the Northwest MEC is devoting substantial resources to the presentation of Compass pilots. For all these reasons, the future of the Compass pilot group looks promising� Great, glad to know their future looks promising with our �substantial resources�.



Not to keep up these great quotes for Airline Pilot but, from the next article �Committee Corner�

Under: Communication are fundamental;

� �People need to be convinced to act,� said Pete Janhunen, assistant director in ALPA�s Communication Department� I�m soooo glad that our communication from the MEC has been pivotal in making the line pilot �convinced to act�!!!!!!!!

Under: Show and Tell;

The communication committee at JAZZ �provides new pilots with several useful materials like new-hire checklists and a flow chart explaining the intricacies of reserve duty� We could only wish for this from NWAALPA for not only the new-hires/returning furloughs but also for the line pilot now.

It goes on�..

ALASKA �negotiated and entire day for ALPA volunteers to spend with new-hires during their training/indoc, --- to provide an overview of how to bid schedules, a review of both company and ALPA benefits, and other practical tips� Must be great at our new hire classes, we bid using Carman, put in what you wish for, you won�t get it. You get a line called infeasible, get use to it you have it for years to come. Oh if you want to learn how to bid by computer, it�s online. Not current but it may help. You will still be infeasible though, you junior..


Sorry to rant on so long but its amazing the information that is published in �Airline Pilot�."
 

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I don't know anything about the flight numbers, but it is no secret about some of the routes we fly for the red tail!!!
 

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After reading that artical in airline mag I myself thought that working for Compass would be a great opportunity. Now thinking about the future; how could Compass offer a flow through program to NWA when most of the routes are going to be Compass? Whats the point??
 

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The Compass flight to GRB was a contract violation. We'll grieve it, win it, and another group of NWA pilots will get a big check for it...just like they got last month for the CAL Scope grievance.

Some mid-level drone (a Planner in the SOC, probably) put the CPZ a/c on the flight. The rest of the drones are shutting-up publicly about it (as we would following a mishap where a pilot made a mistake), but they know it was a screw-up. ALPA's in Track. Stay in Scan.

The typo on Council 74 was a typo. I understand pilots occasionally make boo boo's when reading back altitudes. It happens. WE know what he meant.

The article WAS correct about who represents CPZ right now. It's Council 1 (NWA). I don't think that's a bad idea...for now. We might be able to use that status to expand Scope.

Concur with your comments about providing New Hires with gouge! There was a time ('91-'95) when a studly Membership Committee Chairman used to do just that. Our MEC is still paralyzed by the spectre of a merger that they've gone back to their "NORDO" mode.

Remember when we used to get weekly Updates from one of our reps...regardless of what was happening?
 

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how could Compass offer a flow through program to NWA when most of the routes are going to be Compass? Whats the point??

1. Because your choice of adjectives was wrong.
2. You're right. Don't! Avoid coming to NWA. It's all gonna be Compass someday!
 

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I like this months article, it has a lot of don't blame ALPA blame yourself theme to it?? It points out NWA's contract gained from the 18 day strike but never says they lost most of it, or says APA could not fight against Clinton but ALPA could, I'd rather have AA's contract than any ALPA contract.
 

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I'd rather have AA's contract than any ALPA contract.

Yeah...all those ALPA Fedex bubbas agree and are desperately trying to get hired by AA right?
 

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I like this months article, it has a lot of don't blame ALPA blame yourself theme to it?? It points out NWA's contract gained from the 18 day strike but never says they lost most of it, or says APA could not fight against Clinton but ALPA could, I'd rather have AA's contract than any ALPA contract.

It was a 15-day strike. I was there.

You're right (not really), we DID reinstate the B-Scale, Vacation Cancellation, Dual Qual, and Training Entitlements! How could I forget?

You'd take the AMR contract over FDX?

Friendly advice: Stop sampling Mommie's medicines.
 

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Lately Compass has been flying NWA routes with NWA flight numbers.

Was this a one time thing or happening all the time.
CPZ is not the only one taking flying from the 9, Mesaba's CR9 are also doing flying
 

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NWA pilots had a fit with the AVRO too...Mgmnt just kept expanding....then replaced it with the 900. Not much you can do about it when you release scope!
 

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Does NWA do AUS anymore? They used to be there in the 9 everyday and all i have seen lately is the 900 and the 175?
 

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Occam's Razor..are Compass pilots now viewed as people stealing flying away from NWA and be viewed as the red headed step children?
 

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Occam's Razor..are Compass pilots now viewed as people stealing flying away from NWA and be viewed as the red headed step children?

The pilots are viewed as pilots. Spoiler Alert! (They are)

Their management, along with ours, are viewed as amoral weasels who'd slit a baby's throat to get to the tasty liver.

Get it?
 

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Thanks for the reply. Yeah I get it. Just curious how you guys are viewing them.
 

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Occam's Razor..are Compass pilots now viewed as people stealing flying away from NWA and be viewed as the red headed step children?

I got a little crap from an NWA Captain while jump seating but he was just busting my chops. He made me feel at home, gave some important Captain advice (don't EVER taxi fast, we don't get paid enough anyway), and fed me breakfast. I don't know if anyone else has had problems but every NWA guy I've spoken with has been nothing but friendly. Of course I was at Comair before Compass so I can swap bankruptcy notes, always a good way to encourage camaraderie.
 

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Very sad and I feel bad to see what continues to happen at NWA, but it is far from unexpected. Your airline starts another alter ego airline and you are surprised when they start to infringe on the mainline flying? The downward spiral continues.

Good Luck.:(
 

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Most likely a one off deal or a screw up during sch change. Not the first time this stuff has happened as about 18 yrs ago I showed up at a layover staion and a Metro was there to take me back to DTW.
 

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Lately Compass has been flying NWA routes with NWA flight numbers.

A DC9 crew showed up at their gate only to find that a Compass aircraft was flying their flight, and Dispatch never told crew scheduling about the change.
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What?..How is this a dispatch problem?..
 

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What?..How is this a dispatch problem?..

The "Planner" occupies a cubicle at one end of the NWA Systems Operation Center in MSP. Dispatch occupies the rest of the large room. The Planner is "they" as in...

"They gave a a plane-change in MEM."

"They want us to fly it with this MEL so it can be fixed in DCA overnight"

"They told us to hold at the gate for runners. We're the last flight to DEN"


"They found us a spare! You'll make your commuter flight home!"

The Planner also handles Compass flights.

One of 'em screwed up.
 

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The Planner also handles Compass flights.

One of 'em screwed up.

So who screwed up that the CPZ bid packet and schedules show NWA designated flight numbers flown by CPZ as far out as June?
 
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