"Company Frequency"

[Anne]

Alright, if I don't ask, I may never know. What is "company frequency"? I know about 122.75 and 122.85 for plane to plane. Do you commercial guys have other frequencies to talk to other planes from your same company?

 

[Boeingman]

Alright, if I don't ask, I may never know. What is "company frequency"? I know about 122.75 and 122.85 for plane to plane. Do you commercial guys have other frequencies to talk to other planes from your same company?

It is for comm. with company operations. Although most airplanes have datalink via ACARS. Each airline is asssigned their own freq's and generally are the same through the system, with some hubs having additional ones for different areas or sets of gates.

Air to air is 123.45 and is a common freq. for all aircraft. I've never heard of the ones above, but I have no GA experience at all.

 

[Boeingman]

Alright, if I don't ask, I may never know. What is "company frequency"? I know about 122.75 and 122.85 for plane to plane. Do you commercial guys have other frequencies to talk to other planes from your same company?

It is for comm. with company operations. Although most airplanes have datalink via ACARS. Each airline is asssigned their own freq's and generally are the same through the system, with some hubs having additional ones for different areas or sets of gates.

Air to air is 123.45 and is a common freq. for all aircraft. I've never heard of the ones above, but I have no GA experience at all.

 

[skeezer]

Air to Air

Air to air frequency is NOT 123.45. Most people seem to think this but air to air is 122.75 and 122.85 for fixed wing aircraft. This is in the AIM 4-1-11(b)(2). I don't know where 123.45 started but it is one of those things that lots of people use without thinking about. Maybe it is air to air for other countries but as far as I know not in the US.

Sorry, it is one of my pet peeves.

I gotta get out more.

Peace Out

Skeezer

 

[JetPilot500]

123.45 IS the worldwide Air to Air frequency.

 

[chperplt]

Air to air frequency is NOT 123.45.

everyone else must be using it but you... I've always used 123.45

 

[Boeingman]

Re: Air to Air

I don't know where 123.45 started
Skeezer

Maybe because it is printed on the Jep Hi International charts? Or perhaps it is in our airlines International Flight Ops. manual?

You must know something I don't because over the last several hundred Atlantic crossings, I hear many pilots, of all worldwide airlines, talking on it.

 

[ShawnC]

As a bug smasher we use 123.45 too.

Oh the most common glider port freq that I have heard is 123.3 If you see glider ops I am told (never had a radio in a glider that I have flown that wasn't inop) you will more than likely talk to them on that freq.

 

[maverick_fp00]

The only one I have ever heard of is 123.45 and 122.75. Whenever I got on those long hauls I put my second radio on 123.45 and listen up - it helps the time pass. =]

I know Flight Express has their own company frequency, I'm sure others have them also.

 

[skeezer]

Hehe man did I get slamed on that one or what? Anyway...

Maybe because it is printed on the Jep Hi International charts? Or perhaps it is in our airlines International Flight Ops. manual?

You must know something I don't because over the last several hundred Atlantic crossings, I hear many pilots, of all worldwide airlines, talking on it.

Hey Boeingman, maybe you should read posts a little more carefully before you get smart with people. In my post I was specifically speaking about the US. "Maybe it is air to air for other countries but as far as I know not in the US."

I have never flown international so I would not know, thus my statement at the end of my message. However I can do something that not many people do, and that is read the AIM.

Let me quote from AIM 4-1-11(b)(2). "The following listing depicts other frequency uses as designated by the Federal Communications Commision(FCC). (See TBL 4-1-3.)

Other Frequency Usage Designated by FCC

Use______________________________Frequency

Air-to-Air communications _____________________ 122.750
& private airports (not open____________________122.850
to the public).

Air-to-Air communications _____________________123.025
(general aviation helicopters)

Aviation instruction, Glider, Hot__________________123.300
Air Balloon (not to be used for __________________123.500
advisory service)"


That is where the glider frequency that a previous poster mentioned comes from. As you can see, 123.45 is not mentioned as being approved by the FCC for use in Air-to-Air communications in the US. Outside the US maybe it is, or maybe someone owns that frequecy, I DO NOT KNOW about outside the US.

If someone can prove me wrong about 123.45 inside the US then please do so, but I am gonna stick with the information that the FAA and FCC have given me about frequency usage.

In reality will I get busted for using 123.45? Probably not. But I do the best I can to follow the rules so I won't use a frequency that I know is not designated as Air-to-Air in the US (as far as anyone can prove to me).

Someone stated "everyone else must be using it but you... I've always used 123.45," and it is correct that a lot of people are using it. But does that make it right? Not as far as I am concerned.

Once again, if anyone has proof of 123.45 being a legal frequency to use as air-to-air in the US please let me know. Not trying to start a war here, just letting people know what the AIM says and asking if anyone has proof of different in the US.

Peace

Skeezer

PS I didn't mean to hijack the thread on company frequencies. My company has several frequencies for contacting the operations stations at individual airports, along with frequencies for contacting maintenance/dispatch at HQ if we need to (not including Airinc).

PPS Sorry for the lines in the table, I couldn't get it to work without them

 

[KlingonLRDRVR]

Skeezer,

Word of advise I got from an old Sage that I try to follow. "Don't sweat the small stuff, concentrate on the big stuff and the rest will fall into place." Cheers.

KlingonLRDRVR

 

[Ftwdge]

According to the FCC 123.45 is set asside for test stations. See the following page:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=47&PART=87&SECTION=303&YEAR=2001&TYPE=TEXT

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Don't mess with Skeezer on this one!!!

This is a common misperception among pilots that 123.45 is a legal air to air, or "pilot" frequency.

I use it up here in AK, but that doesn't make it legal. Many others up here have set up phantom frequencies and will call out "SWITCH" to their buddies listening up, then go to this frequency to chat. Not legal by the air-to-air definition, but very common.

To answer the original question....company frequency is a frequency that the FCC has issued to an operator to provide communications between the ground and company aircraft. My current airline has one company frequency. My other job at UA has several for contacting different departments such as maintenance or operations. These change from city to city. At the larger airports, if we want our lavs dumped we call on one frequency, if we want to talk with load planning we call on another one. All would be considered "company frequency".

Just as Skeezer asks, I challenge anyone to PROVE him wrong about 123.45.

Ni!

GP

 

[gundriver]

A.K.A. Five Finger Victor in Military Aviation.. 1..2..3..4..5

 

[Anne]

Thanks for the info on company frequency.

And geez, I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's next with the air-to-air frequencies. I was taught AIM 4-1-11(b)(2), but when I flew with the Beech salesman, he radioed to the Baron behind us being flown by the ferry pilot to switch to "company", but he used 123.45. He must have used "company" as slang to want to talk air-to-air with the other guy.

 

[Simon Says]

128.82 and 130.55 for Mesaba

 

[TurboS7]

123.45 in the North Atlantic and Pacific, 130.55 in the Carribean, and whatever the AIM says for Alaska and the lower 48. Howis that.