Typhoon1244 said:
Or the whole thing is predicated on religious fervor. On misunderstanding.
Suppose your son tells you there's a yellow elephant in his closet because he really believes it's in there. Is he lying?
Suppose the appostle Paul had an epilectic seizure during which God appeared to speak with him, then he writes about it. Is he lying?
The answer is "no" to both questions.
Here's another example...you'll love this: three days after Christ's burial, his followers return to his tomb to find the cover removed and Christ's body gone. This suggested two possibilities:
(1) Somebody stole the body for some unknown purpose, or...
(2) Christ "rose from the dead."
Guess which one they went with. 
Now the fact that they guessed wrong (for whatever reason) doesn't make them liars. They're not trying to pull one over on you when they tell their story.
Liars? No. Gullable...?
Let's look at this logically. You know, that thing y'all claim creationists can't appreciate?
In logic, there is a principle called the Law of the Excluded Middle. Simply stated, it is this: a thing must either be, or not be, the case. A line is either straight, or it is not. There is no middle position. This is not being inflexible, irrational, emotional, or stubborn. It is pure logic. Even Spock would appreciate it.
Apllied to the Bible, one can say, then: The Bible is either inspired of God, or it is not inspired of God.
Now, we ought to be able to agree that the Bible CLAIMS to be inspired of God. II Timothy 3:16-17 " All scripture is given by inspiration of God,..." II Peter 1:20-21 " Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. " and I Corinthians 2:12-13 " Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." document the claim of inspiration.
If the claim is true, the Bible is the inspired word of God. If the claim is false, two options present themselves for consideration. First, it could be the case that the 40+ authors that wrote over a period of 1600 years in 3 languages were all deluded. They were sincere, but they were sincerely wrong.
Second, it might be that they were deceitful. In other words, they knew they were not inspired, and they lied, perpetrating the greatest hoax ever foisted on mankind.
Let's look to the Bible itself for evidence.
Isaiah said that God "sitteth upon the circle of the earth" (Job 40:22) - - Hebrew word for "circle" is
khug - indicating a sphere that is round - -as opposed to flat, square, or rectangular. As I'm sure you know, mankind taught that the earth was flat until just a few centuries ago. Was Isaiah inspired, or just lucky?
Job spoke of the "way to the dwelling place of light" and a "place" of darkness. Hebrew
derek for way literally means a travelled path or road. (Go back to Genesis 16:7 and 1:9;28:11 for more light/darkness discussion) Sir Isaac Newton first suggested the particle theory of light in the 17th century - - small particles that travel in a straight line. Olaus Roemer proposed the wave theory of light and measured its velocity. Up until then, it was believed that light was transmitted instantaneously. How did Job know that ligth travelled in a path or road? Lucky guess again?
The Psalmist noted that the sun goes forth "from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it; and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." For many years scientists taught that the sun was stationary in the universe, and the earth revolved around it. (Before that, they taught the earth was the center, and the sun revolved around the earth.) Then it was discovered that the sun is NOT stationary, but rather travels through space. In fact, it's estimated to be travelling at approximately 600,000 miles per hour, in an orbit that would take 200+ million years to complete. Considering the year, I'd say the psalmist was either an amazing astronomer, or inspired.
With the invention of each new telescope, we find more and more stars - - have they ever been counted? Shoot, you can purchase the right to name a star, and have your name entered in the star registry. We'll never run out of the blame things. Moses and Jeremiah knew (Genesis 15:5, Jeremiah 33:22) LONG before the invention of the telescope, that the stars are simply too many to be numbered. Lucky guess?
Solomon in Ecclesiastes 1:7 wrote that "All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; unto the place wither the rivers go, thither they go again." The Mississippi River dumps over 6 million gallons of water into the Gulf of Mexico every SECOND. Where does all that water go? And that's just one river, and not even the largest. Of course, we know that the answer lies in the hydrological cycle. Ecclesiates 11:3 states that "if the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth." Amos 9:6 notes, in speaking of God, that "He ... calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth." The idea of a complete water cycle was not fully understood or fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. More than 2000 years earlier, though, the Scriptures clearly indicated a water cycle. Were the writers deluded? Deceitful? Lucky?
Job was asked of God (38:16), "Hast though entered into the springs of the sea? Or hast though walked in the recesses of the deep?" The Hebrew word for "recesses" (or "trenches") refers to that which is "hidden and known only by investigation." In previous centuries, man considered the seashore as nothing but a shallow, sandy extension moving gently from one continent to another. In 1873, scientists on a British ship found a "recess" over 5 miles deep in the Pacific Ocean. In 1960 (a good year, by the way) scientists located a trench 35,840 feet (over 6 miles) deep within the Pacific Ocean. How could the writer of the book of Job have known about these "recesses in the deep" when we did not discover them until millennia later? Just another lucky guess?
I can go on and on with evidences from the fields of physics and medicine and biology, but I think you might get my point by now.
It doesn't take the abandoning of logic and reason to accept the truth of the Bible, and the acceptance of creation as the origin of our being. On the contrary, logic forms a firm foundation of support.
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Holy Cr@p!!! We might BOTH be wrong!!! 
