Combiner Instrument and multi-engine rating

[no1pilot2000]

After I have received my Private pilots license, is it possible to train for my instrument combined with a multi engine rating at the same time. People usually use single engine aircraft to get their instrument rating. Once that training is completed, they then go onto getting their multi engine rating?

 

[epic!]

the instrument rating is one of the hardest ratings one can receive. its hard enough on its own without throwing in the complexities of a multi engine aircraft. i assume it is possble but most would recommend doing each seperate.

 

[Way2Broke]

the instrument rating is one of the hardest ratings one can receive. its hard enough on its own without throwing in the complexities of a multi engine aircraft. i assume it is possble but most would recommend doing each seperate.

Agreed and it will save you a ton of money.

 

[FlySacto]

After I have received my Private pilots license, is it possible to train for my instrument combined with a multi engine rating at the same time. People usually use single engine aircraft to get their instrument rating. Once that training is completed, they then go onto getting their multi engine rating?

Your on the right track. I went from Private Pilot and then did the multi-engine add-on. Then I did some instrument training in a single to get the basics down then finished up and flew the checkride in a twin to build some more multi PIC time. Then I started the commercial stuff from the right seats of the single and the multi since I knew I'd be getting the instructor tickets soon after. On checkride day, I flew 4/5ths of my single engine commercial checkride in a fixed gear 172, and swapped planes and did the complex airplane operations in a twin. After the touch and go landing demonstrating the complex airplane operations, we flew out of the pattern and I did the multi-engine manuevers. Didn't have to do an approach since I already did that during my instrument check-ride in the multi. Got back and signed the commercial single engine ticket, handed it back to the examiner for the commercial single/multi ticket. I only paid for one checkride but I made up for that savings with the multi add-on to my private. But, I had logged 25hrs of multi time towards my 250 required and had my PIC time to instruct when I did my MEI. Do the math and I paid half price for my multi time!!! Only thing that sucked was I had to get 10 hours in the schools complex single before I could teach in the f*cking thing because of the wording of their insurance policy requiring experience in a SINGLE engine complex airplane!!!

 

[pilotpat]

I had to get 10 hours in the schools complex single before I could teach in the f*cking thing because of the wording of their insurance policy requiring experience in a SINGLE engine complex airplane!!!

Insurance...the greatest legal extortion wrap in the world!

 

[Way2Broke]

Your on the right track. I went from Private Pilot and then did the multi-engine add-on. Then I did some instrument training in a single to get the basics down then finished up and flew the checkride in a twin to build some more multi PIC time. Then I started the commercial stuff from the right seats of the single and the multi since I knew I'd be getting the instructor tickets soon after. On checkride day, I flew 4/5ths of my single engine commercial checkride in a fixed gear 172, and swapped planes and did the complex airplane operations in a twin. After the touch and go landing demonstrating the complex airplane operations, we flew out of the pattern and I did the multi-engine manuevers. Didn't have to do an approach since I already did that during my instrument check-ride in the multi. Got back and signed the commercial single engine ticket, handed it back to the examiner for the commercial single/multi ticket. I only paid for one checkride but I made up for that savings with the multi add-on to my private. But, I had logged 25hrs of multi time towards my 250 required and had my PIC time to instruct when I did my MEI. Do the math and I paid half price for my multi time!!! Only thing that sucked was I had to get 10 hours in the schools complex single before I could teach in the f*cking thing because of the wording of their insurance policy requiring experience in a SINGLE engine complex airplane!!!

Sounds like you found a flexible DE. Congrats!

 

[FlySacto]

Sounds like you found a flexible DE. Congrats!

I took charge of MY training and told my instructors what I wanted to accomplish. Blew some of their minds but they got over it. Talked to one of the crusty old DPE's and he was impressed with the plan. Right off the bat he knew I was serious about training and was taking the time to look a little deeper. He said "we used to do this all the time" and now most people are basically led around like sheep by the flight schools. Read part 61, really READ part 61, word for word and you begin to see "opportunities". Example: 61.129(a)(3)(ii) for single engine commercial. Sorry guys, your going to have to look it up! Did I use a 172rg or Arrow for this?

 

[NW_Pilot]

Insurance...the greatest legal extortion wrap in the world!

I agree with that statement!

 

[NW_Pilot]

I suggest that you get the Instrument Rating in the single get the Commercial in the Single then add the Multi-Instrument, It will save you a bunch of money but is money is not a factor do what makes you happy!

 

[SmokeyAir]

I built ME time by doing my instrument in a twin. However, I started instrument training in an Archer then transitioned into an Arrow and then into a Twin Commanche. I did the twin and instrument check ride on the same day. The examiner checked me out in the twin first. We landed and he said "OK, you're a twin pilot, now let's do the instrument check ride". Shot approaches, etc. and passed the instrument.

If you need ME time and have the $$$, this is the way to go.

 

[Way2Broke]

Something to think about, alot of flight schools twins do not cost that much more than the school's complex airplane.

 

[minitour]

I've got a guy doing that right now.

Plusses:
Gets him twin time that he needs to go where he wants to go.

Negatives:
He gets behind the airplane really quickly on a partial panel approach. Toss in an engine failure and possibly popping the gear breaker.........it gets ugly.

In the single, he's 110% ready for the instrument ride....just not in the twin.

It can be done though.

-mini

 

[crazyaviatrix]

Get your private - multi add on, then do instrument in the twin. Just make sure you have a sim to use so you actually understand what you are doing before you go blowing up time in the plane. Multi time is golden and if you can incorportate it into as much of your training as possible then you'll be head of alot of people. Without enough multi you won't get a job. Not to mention most FBO's require at least 75 hours in the type and 500 TT to instuct in a twin which ususally amouts to you haveing to buy more time and at some places having to pay for and instructor to fly with you in a plane you are already rated in becasue of dam insurance requirements.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

After I have received my Private pilots license, is it possible to train for my instrument combined with a multi engine rating at the same time. People usually use single engine aircraft to get their instrument rating. Once that training is completed, they then go onto getting their multi engine rating?

What used to be common was training for the commerical and instrument ride together. Learning to fly on instruments should be done in a single engine plane for cost efficiency. Once you're ready for the checkride, you could get 10 hours or so of multi instruction and combine the two rides.