Comair's Proposal in Writing

[Max Powers]

For all you puss that are going to cave because you think if you don't the show is over and they are going to shut you down...your nuts have some balls your worth more than you think and no they won't shut it down they will just give you a little bit better deal to take home.

 

[bvt1151]

For all you puss that are going to cave because you think if you don't the show is over and they are going to shut you down...your nuts have some balls your worth more than you think and no they won't shut it down they will just give you a little bit better deal to take home.

From my previous post:

To the Comair pilots, be very suspicious of pilots from other airlines telling you to vote this down. They have everything to gain from a no vote, specifically 165 of Comair's aircraft, and absolutely nothing to lose. There is no support until they all refuse to accept ex-Comair airplanes, and this is as unlikely to happen as Delta is of turning a profit this quarter.

If all Comair pilots lose their jobs, it actually affects them favorably. Don't base your decision on what pilots from other airlines say. Especially other DCI carriers who stand to gain so much at such a high cost to Comair pilots.

That didn't take long.

 

[Nindiri]

Question for the Comair guys. Can Delta liquidate Comair without the judge's approval?

Also, from reading the board here, I understand that the pre-strike pilots have furlough protection. Can Delta violate that no-furlough provision if they do decide to shrink or close down Comair because it isn't economically competitive? It seems they would need the judge to allow them to throw out that provision, and from her comments she doesn't sound like she would approve of that sort of tactic.

How many pilots are still protected by that no-furlough clause?

Thanks, and goodluck no matter what you choose.

 

[bvt1151]

Question for the Comair guys. Can Delta liquidate Comair without the judge's approval?

I don't think so, but there's no reason she would deny it. If someone is willing to pay more for the parts than for the parts and pilots, its an obvious decision.

Also, from reading the board here, I understand that the pre-strike pilots have furlough protection. Can Delta violate that no-furlough provision if they do decide to shrink or close down Comair because it isn't economically competitive? It seems they would need the judge to allow them to throw out that provision, and from her comments she doesn't sound like she would approve of that sort of tactic.

She will never see the contract. The company is already violating the recent furlough protection and the judge has no say in that. No reason to believe the first furlough protection would do any better than the second.

How many pilots are still protected by that no-furlough clause?

I believe its roughly half, although I question your choice of the word "protected"

 

[Nindiri]

Not very encouraging.

Well, fwiw, if it comes to a shutdown of CMR, I for one will be doing everything in my power to avoid flying any former Comair equipment. MX write-ups, sick calls, whatever it takes as much as possible. The problem will be knowing which equipment that is; hopefully the union will provide some info.

 

[OCP]

How do you you figure?

The pay rates are not, but the work rules are still better. i.e. Schedualing.

 

[ILS2DH]

Of course the FO rates are the worst!! You think the Negotiating commitee sat around and tried to figure out ways to keep FO pay. HELL NO! They did everything they could to keep the 70 scale for the Captains only and the top end pay for the Captains. The Union could give two Sh**s about someoned who has been here less than 10 years or anyone who is not planning on trying to make a career at this company.

Aren't you glad that 2% of your paycheck is going to represent you????

The fact that our MEC deemed this proposal unacceptable, yet still put it out for member vote is just further proof of how weak they really are. Thanks for nothing!

 

[ThisistheDream]

What happens if it is a NO vote? , DAL will take it to the judge and the same or very close to same proposal will be enforced. It sucks to think that this is happening but what did people expect? The Comair group had not taken any concessions until lately with the pay freeze while everyone else has taken or been forced into cuts so why would the Comair pilots think that nothing bad would happen and that they would skate thru this bad downturn totaly uneffected? even after this cut they still will be better off than alot of other RJ fleet airlines. But!!!!! I will still vote NO becuase there is nothing to lose as far pay. Anyone can get a job making FO and even CA pay be home every night. 50% or more pilots say that if they knew what situtation the airlines would be in 5-10 years ago they would have never got in this industry, well here is our chance!!!!!!!!!

 

[RCA]

Delta airlines is losing $5million dollars per day. If 17.3 million is that important they probably will and should shut CMR down. Im voting no, If the company fails at least I did my best to make a living as an airline pilot. Cant survive on 30 bucks and even if the upgrade comes in 3-4 yrs 62 isnt that much either.

 

[goodto50meters]

The fact that our MEC deemed this proposal unacceptable, yet still put it out for member vote is just further proof of how weak they really are. Thanks for nothing!

Maybe this is a briliiant way to shove it up Phab-Phive-Phreddo's a$$ by showing him and Delta that this wont fly, and a huge NO vote by the Comair pilots would certainly make the point.

Show support for your MEC and vote NO then!