Comair's new travel benefits...

[PuffDriver]

We are not lucky that Delta lets us occupy passenger seats. That benefit is part of our compensation package. Without it, we would have to have higher wages in compensation. That's like me saying you are lucky that Delta tosses a few dollars your way to fly airplanes.

..and that package just changed. It won't be the last. Management at Delta has decided that the time is now for all stakeholders in the financial success of Delta are compensated according to their risk.

As for the jumpseat threats, just try it. That is a war you cannot win. It's not a pilot thing. As JC would say, the pilots at Delta do not decide non-rev benefits, Delta management does. We fully support them in that aspect.

 

[spudskier]

We see plenty of you guys on our seats too. It can go both ways, and more of you want to go to Palm Beach than our guys going to Evansberg or wherever..... Be nice....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Well...with the continued reduction in mainline domestic capacity, it may just be an RJ getting a DAL pilot to Palm Beach, Jacksonville, FLL, MIA, MCO, etc...

(ACL65PILOT) Once again, pilots do not set these rules, management does.

They also set the non-rev policies too... interesting. The self-entitlement/walking on water attitude needs adjustment by a large percentage of the DAL pilot group... it's getting old. By no means am I saying every pilot at DAL is like that, I've met a lot of good people, but DAL pilots (especially the ATL-based pilots) have a REALLY bad reputation throughout the industry.

 

[PuffDriver]

Well...with the continued reduction in mainline domestic capacity, it may just be an RJ getting a DAL pilot to Palm Beach, Jacksonville, FLL, MIA, MCO, etc...




They also set the non-rev policies too... interesting. The self-entitlement/walking on water attitude needs adjustment by a large percentage of the DAL pilot group... it's getting old. By no means am I saying every pilot at DAL is like that, I've met a lot of good people, but DAL pilots (especially the ATL-based pilots) have a REALLY bad reputation throughout the industry.

So that is a max of 12k pilots. EVERY RJ pilot has a bad reputation throughout the industry. How many is that? In short, I say YAWN. Oh, and :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

It's what happens when you work for a company that does not do its own business. It's also going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[staylow]

Fights on, Fights on. Snap 185...I have a feeling things are going to get ugly. Good Luck to anyone trying to commute...

 

[spudskier]

So that is a max of 12k pilots. EVERY RJ pilot has a bad reputation throughout the industry. How many is that? In short, I say YAWN. Oh, and :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

It's what happens when you work for a company that does not do its own business. It's also going to get worse before it gets better.

mm yeah, but RJ pilots are expected to be hair gel, iPod wearing, backpack carrying d-bs (even though I don't own an iPod, a single tube of gel or a backpack) but mainline pilots are expected to be professionals, stand-up community citizens always willing to lend a hand and be the hero in the funny hat. Wouldn't think numbers would matter as much as the pride you should take in the reputation of your pilot group.

THings ARE going to get worse, the process is well into full-steam ahead. I'm lucky in that I can at least commute on my own airline.

 

[jesterjames]

Once again, pilots do not set these rules, management does.

Hope that is your response if and when management gives away more flying or god forbid larger aircraft to DCI. Don't give me the scope argument either because DALPA already once loosened it. That is a cop out response.

 

[samballs]

We are employees of the company that sells the tickets and owns the seats. You aren't. You are lucky that Delta even lets you occupy passenger seats. You will not get any sympathy from us.

Get over yourself. the way you guys vote on contracts, Delta flying will all be outsorced. Don't tell me there is a movement to bring it back. That movement is on this board and not in the majority of Delta pilots. The junior guys are trying to bring it back knowing furlough soon if not.

 

[Broke in CVG]

We see plenty of you guys on our seats too. It can go both ways, and more of you want to go to Palm Beach than our guys going to Evansberg or wherever..... Be nice....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Ah.... If you are going CVG to PBI, then you are going to have to stop by my office and say hello. That's all I do April & May.

 

[XPOO]

SKYW actually negotiates every year with Delta on all non-rev flying issues. SKYW main priority in those negotiations is to keep our boarding priorities on our own aircraft. Delta counteracts by raising our fees. We take with a smile.

Same with United. United counteracts by charging us to fly 1st Class on our own aircraft but free to sit in coach. And that's fine with us, too.

This is how SKW/ASA has managed to keep thier boarding priorities over their mainline counterparts.

 

[doh]

I still wake up every morning and say a little prayer of thanks that I am no longer under the tyranny of the Evil Empire.

 

[captainv]

OK guys, try to remember that the jumpseat may soon become our only option, (mainline or RJ), so let's all play nice, shall we?

Honestly, this was no big surprise. It would've been great to bring Compass/Mesaba up to CMR's flight benefits, but seriously, why would they do that?

The NWA guys came up to DAL's pay and work rules. A nice boost for them, from what I've heard. What did the DAL guys get?

So the NWA guys had a little perk in their contract, making sure they get on an airplane sooner than a regional guy did. I guess the powers that be thought they could a least give the DAL guys a little QOL boost.

Doesn't cost the company a thing, and it makes 6,000 DAL pilots a little happier. Do you think they care if it makes 1,000 CMR pilots mad?

For those that say, no problem, I'll just call in under the commuter clause - good for you. Not getting paid - that'll show 'em!

 

[RiddleEagle18]

The one major thing I have learned very quickly in my 2.5 years in the airlines.


If you want decent pay, good benefits, and a decent QOL, your paycheck better come from the company that's painted on your tail!

 

[wrigley23]

OK guys, try to remember that the jumpseat may soon become our only option, (mainline or RJ), so let's all play nice, shall we?

Before you know it, mainline will be getting priority on connection jumpseats. Can't wait for that.......


The whole S3C thing isn't a huge issue especially for people who were used to riding behind super senior mainliners anyway. The loss of S2s is really terrible, traveling with family, a spouse or a companion will be pretty much impossible.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Before you know it, mainline will be getting priority on connection jumpseats. Can't wait for that.......


The whole S3C thing isn't a huge issue especially for people who were used to riding behind super senior mainliners anyway. The loss of S2s is really terrible, traveling with family, a spouse or a companion will be pretty much impossible.

It is that way now. We almost always take separate flights.

 

[Heavy Set]

Ah.... If you are going CVG to PBI, then you are going to have to stop by my office and say hello. That's all I do April & May.

I think he lives in ATL. CVG may be going away soon according to guys on this Board. When will you be JFK based?

 

[hockeypilot44]

Before you know it, mainline will be getting priority on connection jumpseats. Can't wait for that.......


The whole S3C thing isn't a huge issue especially for people who were used to riding behind super senior mainliners anyway. The loss of S2s is really terrible, traveling with family, a spouse or a companion will be pretty much impossible.

What connection jumpseats? They're always weight restricted.

 

[Dirt Doctor]

I realize this has nothing to do with the pilots from either company. But it has everything to do with Delta as a company. This is just one more reason not to make any effort to ensure those 50 delta connecting passengers make there connection. Let Delta buy there Hotels. Its not my company or profit sharing right?

 

[crj567]

I realize this has nothing to do with the pilots from either company. But it has everything to do with Delta as a company. This is just one more reason not to make any effort to ensure those 50 delta connecting passengers make there connection. Let Delta buy there Hotels. Its not my company or profit sharing right?

You know-the more of this crap DAL pulls, the less favors I am apt to do. I used to go and pull bags from cargo personally and find places for them in the cabin to squeeze on every possible person. Not anymore...

-They just contracted every single out-station to mesaba and others. I guess that is "smart business"-DAL doesn't have to pay for ground damage, and the incessant delays and screw-ups don't affect their performance stats....

-Probably would be smart business not to bump all sorts of revenue pax as well, but that would entail me going the extra mile again-not likely.

 

[wrigley23]

What connection jumpseats? They're always weight restricted.

If your comment comes from experience then you've been unlucky with either EMBs or with non-commuters who just don't give the extra effort. If your comment is just out of ignorance, well then I'll chose to ignore you. If you get guys from a commuter base, you'll get on 95% of the time. Only extreme circumstances (full plane, full bags, full fuel) will cause otherwise. Thanks for playing though.

 

[OPECJet]

We see plenty of you guys on our seats too. It can go both ways, and more of you want to go to Palm Beach than our guys going to Evansberg or wherever..... Be nice....

Bye Bye--General Lee

When I was on the PDT jumpseat committee, that's exactly what AA said to us when we squawked about not having unlimited jumpseat availability on their flights as they had on ours. It didn't take long before we won that fight.... In fact there was no fight. It was worked out the right way.

General, the only smart statement in that post were the last two words. "Be nice".