Comair's new travel benefits...

[Papa Woody]

We are employees of the company that sells the tickets and owns the seats. You aren't. You are lucky that Delta even lets you occupy passenger seats. You will not get any sympathy from us.

And that is why I am happy to deny a jumpseat for a mainliner, using my professional discretion: low O2, weight/balance, beyond departure time. I will do whatever I can to deflate your haughty sense of entitlement.

I may not get sympathy, but to see your red pissed-off face from my seat, knowing my decision is fully-defensible, makes my S3C passes a bit more tolerable.

 

[Papa Woody]

You know-the more of this crap DAL pulls, the less favors I am apt to do. I used to go and pull bags from cargo personally and find places for them in the cabin to squeeze on every possible person. Not anymore...

-They just contracted every single out-station to mesaba and others. I guess that is "smart business"-DAL doesn't have to pay for ground damage, and the incessant delays and screw-ups don't affect their performance stats....

-Probably would be smart business not to bump all sorts of revenue pax as well, but that would entail me going the extra mile again-not likely.

Exactly. Their decision to treat us like garbage has resulted in inefficiencies costing MULTIPLES of what they pay me, yet a fraction of which would keep me happy enough to go the extra mile.

Typical short-sighted, sell-out management mentality.

 

[rf285]

You do a poor job for the boss, you will find yourself unemployed when your carriers' contract is modified due to poor performance.

 

[Speedtape]

You do a poor job for the boss, you will find yourself unemployed when your carriers' contract is modified due to poor performance.

:laugh:

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I have never seen pilot groups b!tch more about the mainline that they feed more than ASA and Comair.

You want mainline priority? Make the sacrifice and make the jump to mainline. Things in the NWA system were much worse for it's feeders... you don't get any sympathy from the other FNWA carriers. It's like a bunch of spoiled little children whining.

 

[Papa Woody]

Make the sacrifice and make the jump to mainline.

Make the sacrifice?

As if some of us made a conscious decision NOT to excel at what we do, always give 100%, and follow an earnest career path.

In fact, we have made a conscious decision NOT to have trans-gender surgery, switch races, or be born to a different father, so I guess we have NOT done everything possible to "jump to mainline."

Therein lies the origin of your sense of entitlement: that you are somehow more worthy since you were selected by an arbitrary process for admission to the elite club.

COME ON!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

If you think it's an arbitrary process, that's one of your problems right there.

Work for mainline, get mainline priority.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Guys the goal is to make it so intolerable to work for the regional that you jump ship and reset your longevity.
It will get worse, I am sure.
I agree it stinks, but pass bennies are not something we have control over.

 

[Seaknight1]

Guys the goal is to make it so intolerable to work for the regional that you jump ship and reset your longevity.
It will get worse, I am sure.
I agree it stinks, but pass bennies are not something we have control over.

I agree with ACL, this was Delta managements agenda, not DALPA or Delta pilots.(Thought I'm hearing it was to appease the FNWA ACS to keep them from unionizing) What's done is done. I was ticked about it, but I'm gonna have to deal with it. Though I still think we should have been S3A which would put active subsidary employees in front of parents and retirees, but I digress. I have a family of five so I guess it's time to slit up in order to make it to wherever we need to go.

 

[ASA_DFW]

Once again, the Delta pilots had nothing to do with these changes. What DAL management did was look at the DAL and NWA travel policies. They combined a little here and there and this is the final outcome. Does it stink for some people? Yes. Is it better for others? Yes. We all will have to adapt to these new policies.

People, we do not need a jumpseat war. Pilots need to go to work and usually the only seat left is upfront. Be professional. If you have a problem with the new policies, talk to ALPA or management. Don't ever leave a guy behind because you are mad at a corporate policy. It is childish.

 

[Speedtape]

Comair should sue. Even when Delta sold Worldspan Travel Services, the employees at the date of sale got to keep their passes. They fly the same as non wholly owned as they did when they were owned.

 

[Papa Woody]

The issue is "wholly-owned" (Comair)

vs.

"Holy-owned" (Skywest)

!

 

[DX Rick]

Mass sick calls for all the guys commuting from CVG to JFK.
One of the CP's has offered up good ideas of getting crews up there and back. Such as letting them ride on the airplanes being repositioned in and out of CVG and LGA, but management won't allow it.
They'd rather shoot themself in the foot.

 

[skyslug]

I don't believe there is anything in the manual that states you cannot ride on a reposition flight...you just cannot ride on a maintenance ferry flight.

I'm not sure why management won't allow it since the CP's are management. I suspect you CAN ride on a repo flight just trying to figure out when they might be would be tricky.

 

[Seaknight1]

Mass sick calls for all the guys commuting from CVG to JFK.
One of the CP's has offered up good ideas of getting crews up there and back. Such as letting them ride on the airplanes being repositioned in and out of CVG and LGA, but management won't allow it.
They'd rather shoot themself in the foot.

That is a good idea, but these repo flights aren't scheduled. We only repo to cover a/c down for mx, or if there's weather cancellations, we repo to pick up the next line that isn't cancelled. Though if we did schedule crew ferry flights, I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper than the money we'd loose for crew cancellations.

 

[172driver]

It makes me nauseous every time I read about another beatdown being given to airline labor. A little here, a little there, and pilots living in a state of low-level fear all the time. Then, of course, there are pilots of other companies defending it because it makes their job look a little better relatively. It really is sickening and only serves to anger employees, who then anger the customers, who then fly less.

It is no coincidence that the most successful aviation companies are the ones who treat their employees like human beings. SWA, JB, NJA.

 

[ozpilot]

It is no coincidence that the most successful aviation companies are the ones who treat their employees like human beings. SWA, JB, NJA.

As an ex Comair pilot now working at NJA, I could not agree more.

To me its a simple concept - Company takes care of employees; employees take care of customers; customers take care of the company.

I just love it when companies like Delta "re-invent" themselves (usually when theres a change of management). After being in business for 60+ years, you still haven't figured it out?

 

[doh]

As an ex Comair pilot now working at NJA, I could not agree more.

To me its a simple concept - Company takes care of employees; employees take care of customers; customers take care of the company.

I just love it when companies like Delta "re-invent" themselves (usually when theres a change of management). After being in business for 60+ years, you still haven't figured it out?

Best post of the thread! They will never figure it out.

 

[Full of LUV]

What.....

Best post of the thread! They will never figure it out.

DAL is taking care of their employees, just at the contractors expense..... Like it or not, as a contractor, if you pee off the pax and ruin the experience too much, you'll be replaced by the next two bit certificate that Wexford or JO can muster to buy planes for and staff with new, cheaper, less bitter employees.
I think the best post of this whole subject was the regional pilot who realized that the only time you control your destiny is when your not a contract carrier, but a brand name carrier, selling your own tickets and having your own scope clause to enforce instead of living under someone elses.
Were talking about boarding policy, so taking care of one person is disadvantaging another.
Luv

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Ah.... If you are going CVG to PBI, then you are going to have to stop by my office and say hello. That's all I do April & May.

So where exactly is the janitor's closet in the CVG airport?