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[cmrflyer]

Such, however, is the right of an owner.

Such is the ignorance of the owner.

 

[V-1]

Such is the ignorance of the owner.

That too.

 

[on autopilot]

Rumor about bad news tomorrow. A guy named playn over at APC spoke with Comair's President. It ain't looking good folks.

 

[FLIHI]

Here is a rumor I picked up yesterday. I am reluctant to post it becuase I do not want to be viewed as lending credence to it's actually taking place. I am just passing this along. Rumors abound and I have even heard a version of this one before, so...

We supposedly hear Sept. 1, Wednesday... the "big announcement" that we are sold and the buyer only wants 50 of our planes. This obviously brings up the question will the pilots (basically 500, only half of the list) go with the planes? If... IF this is true, than I imagine it is a moot point for most of us posting on here as we will be on the street either way.

Again, I hear that this is "solid." But, so were the other rumors and announcement dates that never come to pass. One thing is for sure, Delta is trying to sell Comair. How do I know? Because Richard Andersen said and I quote, "we want to sell Comair."

But to be slightly positive, this announcement in a way would not surprise me at all and I am still holding out for an announcement that no one has even talked about yet.... like Comair was bought with stimulus money and will crop dust tobacco fields in Kentucky. Time will tell.

At last a bit of humor amongs all this doom and gloom.

 

[E120ASA]

Good luck all, It could happened to any of us.

 

[tiffanytaylor]

Rumor about bad news tomorrow. A guy named playn over at APC spoke with Comair's President. It ain't looking good folks.

Another one named Spoilers posted something close to it but not in so many exact words, also Boomer. Like I said, those two do not seem the negative, rumor mongering type. playn seems kind of new there I don't know.

Sounds like he/she was talking to SB. If there's no big, bad announcement and Comair remains the same or gets better, we will have to just sit back and laugh at all this nonsense, if it indeed is that. Interesting the Company may not offer part-time to f/as when they were considering it awhile ago. All the part-timers have to come back full-time if not offered. I haven't heard rumors on this level and so consistent in a long time, but maybe I've been living under a rock but I'm in the same sinking ship we are all in unless someone plugs the damn hole.

 

[cmrflyer]

Well the rumours are over, the news is out.

Steve Briner is going to have his farewell dinner on Sept 10th.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

Steve B will be annoucing his departure on Sept 10th.
Thats the good news.
More bad stuff to follow.

Nope... he will be remaining with the company in a different capacity though.

 

[cmrflyer]

Nope, farewell dinner means he's leaving.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

Nope, farewell dinner means he's leaving.

He's been asked to take a different role and will remain as a director within the company. Absolute fact.

 

[cmrflyer]

Is this as accurate as you predicting mike piper was coming back?
Spoke to him the other day, he was laughing about that fact.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

Is this as accurate as you predicting mike piper was coming back?
Spoke to him the other day, he was laughing about that fact.

I spoke with Mike also and yes, he found it hilarious. I didn't predict it, but his name had been thrown around... I couldn't imagine he'd go back. The other I know as fact, not rumor. Call him and ask... he's changing duties, not leaving the company.

The one thing that I did predict (simply based on Soap leaving) was that if he was going, something big was about to go down. I think cutting the company in half qualifies as something significant.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

Nope, farewell dinner means he's leaving.

So, is he gone? No? Huh, that's funny... I thought you said he was leaving...

Expect the former Exec VP from there to pop up in MEM also....

 

[cmrflyer]

So has he got his new position?
He had the dinner though.
So what exec are you reffering to, and where is it he coming from. It's hard to follow you posts sometimes.

 

[tiffanytaylor]

Briner is a new director of something. He sure looks happy in his photo on epic

 

[N813CA]

Comair will be loosing the airframes and will not be getting any more 70/90s.

 

[tiffanytaylor]

Well Hell's Bells and Panther Tracks....!

No new airframes? No carrot Fred dangled in front of us?

and the f/as are taking "Legendary Performance" classes. That's a freaking joke. About giving the best customer service in the world on the 70/90 in first class. I guess it's good for the dinosaurs who have been here forever.

:laugh:

 

[flyboyike]

and the f/as are taking "Legendary Performance" classes. That's a freaking joke. About giving the best customer service in the world on the 70/90 in first class. I guess it's good for the dinosaurs who have been here forever.

:laugh:

The proper term is "fossils" or, in the case of the FAs, "fossilized remains".

 

[tiffanytaylor]

The proper term is "fossils" or, in the case of the FAs, "fossilized remains".

Haa, I stand corrected. At Mainline Continental they called old f/as dinosaurs.

 

[asayankee]

Haa, I stand corrected. At Mainline Continental they called old f/as dinosaurs.

the correct term is "attendasaurus"

 

[Data]

The proper term is "fossils" or, in the case of the FAs, "fossilized remains".

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...8TaDA&esq=6&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0

 

[N813CA]

Thanks alot Delta. GO **** Your self. Most of this pilot group is a bunch of really good pilots and really good guys!


Not 100% sure but I believe S. Briner made an emotional and desperate pitch to Delta for preferential hiring or preferential interviews for our pilots because of the position "they" have put us in. The answer was a flat out NO.
However, even after the sale of Compass and Mesaba, all Compass pilots will be able to flow up to Delta and a little over 100 pilots at Mesaba will be able to flow up as well. So Delta does have some room for charity but not for us. I hear this move was well received by the Delta pilots.

 

[cmrflyer]

Of course it was, the comair pilots get pissed on again by delta, happy times for the delta pilots.

 

[WSurf]

Thanks alot Delta. GO **** Your self. Most of this pilot group is a bunch of really good pilots and really good guys!


Not 100% sure but I believe S. Briner made an emotional and desperate pitch to Delta for preferential hiring or preferential interviews for our pilots because of the position "they" have put us in. The answer was a flat out NO.
However, even after the sale of Compass and Mesaba, all Compass pilots will be able to flow up to Delta and a little over 100 pilots at Mesaba will be able to flow up as well. So Delta does have some room for charity but not for us. I hear this move was well received by the Delta pilots.

Didn't Comair give the Delta Pilots a bunch of Crap about coming to Comair when Delta was furloughing????
I can't really remember, but I thought they were asking them to give up their seniority numbers to come to Comair.

 

[N813CA]

Comair pilots had nothing to do with it. Comair Management said no. I have never spoken with a pilot at Comair that was against letting them keep their senority.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Comair pilots had nothing to do with it. Comair Management said no. I have never spoken with a pilot at Comair that was against letting them keep their senority.

You have seen the letter from the MEC at the time right?

So there was at least a couple people.

 

[N2264J]

You have seen the letter from the MEC at the time right? So there was at least a couple people.

And what would you be willing to give up out of your contract to buy a change
in Comair's hiring policy?

 

[GogglesPisano]

But the Comair MEC did try to turn the matter into a negotiating tactic, with the aim of relaxing Delta scope. This is why it caused so much bitterness amongst the Delta pilot group -- especially amongst the furloughees. Your MEC was asked for their input, and their input was to suggest that no exception should be made for furloughed Delta pilots, but instead to relax Delta's scope clause.



TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATE: December 16, 2002

Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes. Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.

The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

 

[N2264J]

But the Comair MEC did try to turn the matter into a negotiating tactic, with the aim of relaxing Delta scope.

No, the aim was to tighten Delta's scope.

Comair and ASA were wholly owned subsidiaries at the time and "Brand Scope" was ALPA's highest priority - at least, that is what ALPA was saying in public.

By the way, when was the last time you heard about Brand Scope, ALPA's highest priority?

 

[flyboyike]

By the way, when was the last time you heard about Brand Scope, ALPA's highest priority?

Seems to have gone away and got replaced by age 65.