Comair to furlough 500??!!

[RJ Bum]

Hey, I've got about 220 below me as well. I Feel your pain. Any number though will affect us all. Home Depot is going to be a tough place to get a job here soon.

Don't worry, Home Depot will take you. They were our biggest employer during the strike.

 

[$$$4nothin]

What do all you comair guys have against LOWES. Why does it always have to be Home Depot. Although I am partial to Tony Stewart over Jimmy Johnson. And good luck guys

 

[jetflyer]

"Can't wait to dump the Delta anchor"??

Dumping that "anchor" could very easily lead to Comair ending up in the same boat as Independence. Be careful what you wish for.

What I meant was Delta was dragging us down like an anchor with them.

I know we NEED Delta, like chperplt said.

I think if we're sold and become a non-WO, we will still have to fly for Delta, but atleast we can bid on flying for other airlines and maybe get our own financing to fly some of the E-170s like Fred wanted.

Also if we're sold, we'd be out of bankruptcy right?

So I hope that clears what I meant up.

Oh and ASH, my Captain on a 1 1/2 hour break went to operations tonight and he said everyone was talking about the number being 400 furloughs.

My captain said he was told the chief pilots were talking about it today, and saying it would be 50 pilots a month until 400.

Good luck to everyone,

Jet

 

[h25b]

I remember more than just a couple Comair visionary pilots bashing CHQ for their mulitple codeshares. Now all of a sudden it's the answer to Comair's problems and they need to dump the wholly owned deal so they can go out and bid for other flying... Good idea but don't you think it's a little too late for that ???

 

[bvt1151]

I remember more than just a couple Comair visionary pilots bashing CHQ for their mulitple codeshares. Now all of a sudden it's the answer to Comair's problems and they need to dump the wholly owned deal so they can go out and bid for other flying... Good idea but don't you think it's a little too late for that ???

That CHQ settled for such a rediculous contract to acheive multiple codeshares is the reason most of us are in this situation.

 

[aewanabe]

That CHQ settled for such a rediculous contract to acheive multiple codeshares is the reason most of us are in this situation.

Sorry kiddo, don't wish this situation on anyone, but you need to put down the "I hate CHQ" crackpipe and look to the real reason for your problems. We had 3 of the four current codeshares (includint DL) well before the current contract. Since the contract was signed our net growth with DL has been 9 airframes. Try again when you have some facts to back up your rhetoric.

 

[N2264J]

That CHQ settled for such a rediculous contract to acheive multiple codeshares is the reason most of us are in this situation.

I don't blame the Chautauqua pilots. As I recall, they initially voted down Jets for Jobs for the assault against their contract and seniority it was.

Then Wexford stood up Republic to be staffed by US Airways furloughees and whipsaw the Chautauqua pilots during their contract negotiations. They relented under duress.

www.rjdefense.com

 

[AVDAD]

Bull$hit

That CHQ settled for such a rediculous contract to acheive multiple codeshares is the reason most of us are in this situation.

This all started with the majors and ALPA long ago, they could have had the regional type A/C as there entry platforms but no.

You all better start finding common ground rather than acting like third graders. I wish the Teamsters had a better over all reputation because they could shutdown complete cities if one of their Brother/Sister Unions went out on strike.

I am a real believer that you really can't see the forest because of the trees. You all are going to have to think out of the box or twenty years from now you'll still be wasting time on FlightInfo calling each other names.

Just a thought, have a nice day,

An AVDAD

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Lowe's or Home Depot

Actually, Office Depot or Office Max wouldn't be bad. I'm thinking that I know a few things about paper clips and printer cartridges.

And for fast food employment opportunities, it would have to be Wendy's. Can't get enough of their spicy chicken combo and a junior bacon cheeseburger to wash it down...

MM

 

[bvt1151]

This all started with the majors and ALPA long ago, they could have had the regional type A/C as there entry platforms but no.

You are correct.

You all better start finding common ground rather than acting like third graders. I wish the Teamsters had a better over all reputation because they could shutdown complete cities if one of their Brother/Sister Unions went out on strike.
I am a real believer that you really can't see the forest because of the trees. You all are going to have to think out of the box or twenty years from now you'll still be wasting time on FlightInfo calling each other names.
Just a thought, have a nice day,
An AVDAD

Chautauqua pilots have been granted flying that would have prevented furloughs at Comair immediately after their contract. This raises a very large flag.

A distinction needs to be made between Comair/Delta and CHQ/Delta. Delta refused to fly 50-70 seat aircraft, which is why Comair saw them. Delta furloughed in the larger aircraft, but the Delta pilots refused the aircraft that would have saved their furloughs. Comair pilots have never refused an airframe, but have watched as pilot groups under bid them for the same aircraft. This after a sacrificing three months for a contract that was to help the entire industry. What have CHQ, and now Mesa done? They pat Comair pilots on the back, say nice job...and then yoink, thanks for the flying we'd never have gotten the chance to take from you had you not gone on strike. I'm not entirely convinced that the term "struck flying" should cease to represent routes after the strike ends.

Chautauqua's contract is crap, but I understand how they got duped into signing it (republic). What is inexcusible is actively going after flying that is being conducted by an airline that struck to receive the contract to fly it. While other airlines refused to fly Comair routes during the strike, Chautauqua waited until the strike was over, and then took 'em. I've heard way too many CHQ pilots in the terminal bragging about their quick upgrades, and considering what other pilot groups have sacrificed (and are continuing to sacrifice greatly) for them to sneak in and reap the benefits, I don't blame the looks and lectures they get.

Brag about your upgrade all you want, but I'd be careful. One of these people you're bragging to may be about to lose his job because he trusted you to do what it took for the good of the profession, not for the good of your ego.

 

[ASH]

Dude, you have got a serious bone to pick w/ CHQ. If they had been the first one to call you for a job you would be over here. We didn't "sneek", and "slide in" we are not some snake in the grass company as you seem to imply. We are an upstanding company with a great bunch of employees, same as the great folks I have met from Comair in our jumpseat. Our contract is far from crap as you said. Your holier than thou attitude that affects SOME at Comair gives you all a bad name. By the way have you ever HEARD a CHQ pilot taking about an upgrade in the terminal, and being a jerk? Or are you just jumping on a bandwagon? Most CHQ guys are upstanding, and are nothing but the most curteous and respectful. We could turn into AE upgrades OVERNIGHT we are not so nieve to think otherwise. We apologize for some new guy who is a little too excited. Believe you me, even the mighty Comair has got it's 5% of real goobers. Tone down the rhetoric, and get off of the bandwagon.
Comair folks, you are always welcome with a smile and a handshake on any CHQ jumpseat.

 

[Homer Jay]

OKay, back to the actual furlough question...Are those 400 furloughs to start at 50/month beginning in December? I'm right around the 400 mark and I'm trying to figure out how much time I have to get a new job. This really sucks, looks like I'll be heading to airline number three...

 

[FN FAL]

This whole regional labor situation is starting to look like a park full of guys running around in flames with supersoakers full of lighter fluid squirting each other.

 

[XJETDriver]

Come on over!! I wish you guys the best of luck. Keep your heads ups! Number three is bad but not any where close to my bestfriends dad. He had 9 different 121 jobs. I think 7 were furlough. Anyway...Us Xjet guys would love to have you Comair guys over here.

 

[jetflyer]

Homer Jay,
I'm sure your questions will be answered soon. Maybe this whole thing is just a bad rumor !! Let's hope!

Be patient, and in a week we'll probably all know.

Jet

 

[standaman]

It got an AMES message today from the union saying they have a meeting with management on Monday. Of course just like the movie Office Space friday is the best day to ..............

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Have they put anything on the VARS? or did Freddie just decide to let it slip to the pilot group without even mentioning it to your elected leadership. Beware the FUD. Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. -- It's their strongest weapon.

 

[V-1]

Is it true that furloughees can flow back to the delta connection academy to be instructors and the current instructors flow back to be students and the current students are on the street?

I don't think there are any current Academy students...DCA has been attempting to bribe Comair pilots to refer new students to the academy...$1000 per recommended student who finishes a couple of ratings down there.

Now there's a part-time job for me after I get furloughed...I can drive around visiting high schools in my uniform spreading the gospel about how great it is to be an airline pilot, and how easy it is to become one at the Academy.

I'd only have to recruit 20 successful applicants to equal what I can earn as an active first-year F.O. at Comair.

Think I'm on to something here.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Yes, but do they have to sign their contracts in blood? And, aside from the $1000, what do you get for doing Satan's bidding? And really, wouldn't you just feel like a heel for lying to them? Show me an airline pilot who is HAPPY with the direction his career has taken and I'll show you 100 more who are looking to escape the profession entirely.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Show me an airline pilot who is HAPPY with the direction his career has taken and I'll show you 100 more who are looking to escape the profession entirely.

Make that 98... You and I are both gone. And from the looks of it, not a minute too soon.

While CMR rode the wave for a few years, and stood tall with a 'ground breaking' RJ contract; their about to see a 'back breaking' contract, thanks to a BK Judge.

Lawson's move to snub the DAL boys in '02 is going to haunt CMR pilots for years to come. Bad play, bad play. I know more than one DALPA pilot thats laughing his *ss off at CMR right now.

 

[Full of LUV]

Management is right, Good goes around

You are correct.




Chautauqua pilots have been granted flying that would have prevented furloughs at Comair immediately after their contract. This raises a very large flag.

A distinction needs to be made between Comair/Delta and CHQ/Delta. Delta refused to fly 50-70 seat aircraft, which is why Comair saw them. Delta furloughed in the larger aircraft, but the Delta pilots refused the aircraft that would have saved their furloughs. Comair pilots have never refused an airframe, but have watched as pilot groups under bid them for the same aircraft. This after a sacrificing three months for a contract that was to help the entire industry. What have CHQ, and now Mesa done? They pat Comair pilots on the back, say nice job...and then yoink, thanks for the flying we'd never have gotten the chance to take from you had you not gone on strike. I'm not entirely convinced that the term "struck flying" should cease to represent routes after the strike ends.

Chautauqua's contract is crap, but I understand how they got duped into signing it (republic). What is inexcusible is actively going after flying that is being conducted by an airline that struck to receive the contract to fly it. While other airlines refused to fly Comair routes during the strike, Chautauqua waited until the strike was over, and then took 'em. I've heard way too many CHQ pilots in the terminal bragging about their quick upgrades, and considering what other pilot groups have sacrificed (and are continuing to sacrifice greatly) for them to sneak in and reap the benefits, I don't blame the looks and lectures they get.

Brag about your upgrade all you want, but I'd be careful. One of these people you're bragging to may be about to lose his job because he trusted you to do what it took for the good of the profession, not for the good of your ego.

WOW! I know of two furloughed Delta pilots who claimed the never "refused to fly" 50-70 seat aircraft.

I think you might be referring to the fact that as RJ's were just rolling out, ALPA wouldn't have condoned flying the aircraft for regional wages and by the time ALPA national figured out that the RJ wasn't just to replace the props, but also half of the mainline, the cat was out of the bag and all ALPA could do was negotiate some scope clauses just to put a lid on the explosion of regional jets that REPLACED mainline.

Nobody refused to fly anything, people were just willing to fly for a cheaper price, and still are, and just as water finds the lowest spot, companies will find the lowest costs, it just takes more time for some companies than others.

Oh and BTW, my buds also say that it was COMAIR who refused to hire furloughed (replaced) mainline for the few who really needed a job without giving up that last shred of hope for a recall, not CHQ, not ASA, not SKW.

Huh, management has one thing right, I guess Good does go around.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Make that 98... You and I are both gone. And from the looks of it, not a minute too soon.

While CMR rode the wave for a few years, and stood tall with a 'ground breaking' RJ contract; their about to see a 'back breaking' contract, thanks to a BK Judge.

Lawson's move to snub the DAL boys in '02 is going to haunt CMR pilots for years to come. Bad play, bad play. I know more than one DALPA pilot thats laughing his *ss off at CMR right now.

The sad part is the people who will be furloughed weren't there in '02 and had nothing to do with whatever happened.

 

[Nindiri]

Lawson's move to snub the DAL boys in '02 is going to haunt CMR pilots for years to come. Bad play, bad play. I know more than one DALPA pilot thats laughing his *ss off at CMR right now.

Assuming for the moment that Lawson truly "snubbed" DAL pilots, how exactly is it haunting them now? What would be different? Furloughs would be coming regardless of what they did, so what difference would it have made?

Also, I would hope that DAL pilots had more class than to laugh at people losing their jobs. Not to mention brains; only an idiot would laugh at another condemned man as both of them went to the gallows, so to speak.

Honestly, though, I've met plenty of both DAL and CMR pilots, and none of them showed any hatred for the other like I see here on this board.

 

[Plug]

You are correct.




Chautauqua pilots have been granted flying that would have prevented furloughs at Comair immediately after their contract. This raises a very large flag.

A distinction needs to be made between Comair/Delta and CHQ/Delta. Delta refused to fly 50-70 seat aircraft, which is why Comair saw them. Delta furloughed in the larger aircraft, but the Delta pilots refused the aircraft that would have saved their furloughs. Comair pilots have never refused an airframe, but have watched as pilot groups under bid them for the same aircraft. This after a sacrificing three months for a contract that was to help the entire industry. What have CHQ, and now Mesa done? They pat Comair pilots on the back, say nice job...and then yoink, thanks for the flying we'd never have gotten the chance to take from you had you not gone on strike. I'm not entirely convinced that the term "struck flying" should cease to represent routes after the strike ends.

Chautauqua's contract is crap, but I understand how they got duped into signing it (republic). What is inexcusible is actively going after flying that is being conducted by an airline that struck to receive the contract to fly it. While other airlines refused to fly Comair routes during the strike, Chautauqua waited until the strike was over, and then took 'em. I've heard way too many CHQ pilots in the terminal bragging about their quick upgrades, and considering what other pilot groups have sacrificed (and are continuing to sacrifice greatly) for them to sneak in and reap the benefits, I don't blame the looks and lectures they get.

Brag about your upgrade all you want, but I'd be careful. One of these people you're bragging to may be about to lose his job because he trusted you to do what it took for the good of the profession, not for the good of your ego.

Holy crap you are a hypocryt! You sit there and bash the CHQ pilots for the very same thing 61% of your pilot group did. WTFO! Now your crying in your beer because Delta is putting the wood to you. You have now confirmed the fact that most CMR pilots are self-rightrous Nepoleanites. Instead of waving your finger at other pilot groups try waving it at your own.

 

[wmuflyguy]

You have now confirmed the fact that most CMR pilots are self-rightrous Nepoleanites

Another brilliantly thought out comment, that has very little basis

 

[bvt1151]

Holy crap you are a hypocryt! You sit there and bash the CHQ pilots for the very same thing 61% of your pilot group did. WTFO! Now your crying in your beer because Delta is putting the wood to you. You have now confirmed the fact that most CMR pilots are self-rightrous Nepoleanites. Instead of waving your finger at other pilot groups try waving it at your own.

It's spelled "hypocrite".

Read the first paragraph for a distinction between CHQ and CMR. Delta did not want to fly "small jets" because of what it would do to their pay. Comair grew in an aircraft a third of the size of Delta's next profitable aircraft (MD-88). CHQ grows in the same aircraft class at the direct expense of other pilots. Reference Eagle/MDA/ACA/Air Wisconsin/CMR.

Granted I wrote that post immediately after hearing confirmation of the furloughs, but the premise remains, without the emotion. Airways 145 flying is the only flying for CHQ that hasn't come at the expense of other pilot groups. That's business, but make sure you're aware your fourth stripe is a result of being the lowest bidder, and I'd suggest keeping your mouth shut around pilot groups who are furloughing to give you that fourth stripe.

 

[goodpilotithink]

Holy crap you are a hypocryt! You sit there and bash the CHQ pilots for the very same thing 61% of your pilot group did. WTFO! Now your crying in your beer because Delta is putting the wood to you. You have now confirmed the fact that most CMR pilots are self-rightrous Nepoleanites. Instead of waving your finger at other pilot groups try waving it at your own.

All though any one following the industry should know this i will explain for your benefit.
The Comair pilots struck for 89 days and won an industry leading contract. This was in 2001. Soon afterwards, the CHQ. and MESA pilot groups signed contracts that were , uh, crappy, for a lack of a better word. They did this because their mgt. told them it would bring lots of shiny new jets to their propertys.
Now, in 2004, Comair mgt. came to the Comair pilot group wanting concessions so we could get more shiny new jets. We told them no, and the shiny new jets went to CHQ., SKYW, and ASA.
In the mean time. SKYWEST pilots agree to fly aircraft up to 99 seats for LESS than we get paid to fly aircraft with 50 seats.
So, the Comair pilots now start to get the picture. 2005.
The Comair pilots see that after raising the bar, then attempting to hold there ground, the likes of SKYWEST, CHQ, MESA, pilots are more than willing to fly dirt cheap, and if we are to prosper, we have to change. We must now compete . The old standard of one pilot group raising the bar so the next pilot group could negotiate an even BETTER contract is gone.
Yes, the Comair Pilots struck for 89 days, and won a good contract. And now that we have beed forced to rethink our approach some one like you calls us names?

Good grief.

 

[goodpilotithink]

Make that 98... You and I are both gone. And from the looks of it, not a minute too soon.

While CMR rode the wave for a few years, and stood tall with a 'ground breaking' RJ contract; their about to see a 'back breaking' contract, thanks to a BK Judge.

Lawson's move to snub the DAL boys in '02 is going to haunt CMR pilots for years to come. Bad play, bad play. I know more than one DALPA pilot thats laughing his *ss off at CMR right now.

Yea, I knew it! The Delta pilots are now furloughing our Pilots because of what we did. Oh the shame.

Get a life idiot.

 

[Sir Muttley]

CMR pilots are self-rightrous Nepoleanites.

Spelling Police: righteous, Napoleon (as in Napoleon Bonaparte) Napoleonite

Grammar Police: Stated more appropriately: "CMR pilots are self-righteous Napoleons"

If it's so easy for Plug to call other pilot groups childish names, then it should be just as easy for Plug to do a spelling and grammar check. Plug, just because the points you try to convey in your posts sound uneducated does not mean you are obligated to make them appear that way!

 

[generaltso]

All though any one following the industry should know this i will explain for your benefit.
The Comair pilots struck for 89 days and won an industry leading contract. This was in 2001. Soon afterwards, the CHQ. and MESA pilot groups signed contracts that were , uh, crappy, for a lack of a better word.

Wasn't there some kind of event in between the Comair strike and the CHQ contract? An event that changed this industry forever?