Comair Strike Vote???

[JustaNumber]

I just heard a rumor that in addition to the ASA pilots, the Comair pilots are getting ready to take a strike vote soon. Has anyone else heard anything similar?

In my personal opinion, the possibility of a Comair strike bears closer watching than a DALPA walkout. When it comes to the 11th hour (or is it 7th hour?), I believe the Delta pilots will abide by Judge Judy’s decision, whatever it may be, as they have the most to lose from shutting down Delta. The Comair pilots, on the other hand, could work at any other regional for better than the proposed pay rates, and so (other than the loss of seniority, which isn’t worth nearly as much as it once was at Comair anymore) would have no problem walking away. A basic law of economics says that the group receiving the lowest compensation in any industry (or in this case the lowest proposed compensation) has the greatest bargaining power, and the group receiving the highest compensation has the least bargaining power.

So I believe if the Comair pilots have their contract voided, they WILL walk. How long could Delta survive a Comair strike this time around? Probably not 89 days.

It’s interesting that the annual amount of pilot savings that Delta is looking for from the Comair pilots is very close to the amount of money lost per day in the last strike. The only reason Delta would allow a strike would be to set another precedent, that could/would influence the ASA negotiations. But with LM gone, are they still that hardheaded that they would spite the shareholders in the name of precedent? Do you think Delta will fold on this one? For the industry’s sake, lets all hope so.

 

[amcnd]

Why would Delta care about ASA's contract anymore? SkyWest owns them now.

 

[Launchpad]

I don't think Delta could survive a day without Comair.


So I believe if the Comair pilots have their contract voided, they WILL walk. How long could Delta survive a Comair strike this time around? Probably not 89 days.

 

[JustaNumber]

Okay, good point. Delta certainly has an interest in the downward pressure on all pilot contracts within the Delta family, but I guess in the end, they're primarily concerned with those of Comair and Delta mainline. Still not good for any of us.

 

[Launchpad]

Okay, good point. Delta certainly has an interest in the downward pressure on all pilot contracts within the Delta family, but I guess in the end, they're primarily concerned with those of Comair and Delta mainline. Still not good for any of us.

You missed the sarcasm, and to add on...... I don't think Delta gives a rats azz about anyone at Delta or Comair. The "Family" is long gone-

Peace out-

 

[RichO]

You know, someone needs to take one for the team.......UAL and USAir should have been allowed to fold.....the market is naturally self correcting unless compaines (GE) and the Gov step in and screw it up...that is why we find ourselves in the situation we're in......someone needs to go under....

 

[Plug]

Actually, an ASA strike could be the final nail in the DAL coffin. ASA is huge for DAL in ATL (DAL's bread & butter hub) and a strike would have a disasterous affect on DAL's bottom line. Food for thought!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Delta should be concerned with any interuption in service from anyone flying for DAL.

 

[FDJ2]

I just heard a rumor that in addition to the ASA pilots, the Comair pilots are getting ready to take a strike vote soon.

Are the CMR pilots in a section 1113 hearing? If not, then how could they strike if they still have a contract negotiated under the RLA? A strike vote might seem a little premature at this point, although I have no doubt that they will strike if their contract is rejected.

 

[flaps30]

strike?

Nobody is gonna strike no mater what happens with their contract. Idle threat and Delta mgnt knows it.

 

[makersmarc]

Talk of a strike vote at CMR is very premature, though we'll be ready if/when the time comes.

 

[flaps30]

no way....

Comair will not strike, never. You just lost over 25% of your flying, the other 75% could just as easily be flown by Republic or Mesa. Ask the NW mechs if it worked ? You can and will be replaced.

 

[fugghedabowdit]

Comair will not strike, never. You just lost over 25% of your flying, the other 75% could just as easily be flown by Republic or Mesa. Ask the NW mechs if it worked ? You can and will be replaced.

Overnight? Will Delta survive until that all happens? Will Republic and Mesa fly struck routes? Does Delta want the negative press? It may be our last best hope, and if it ultimately comes down to this, there is nothing left here anyway. Thats the difference between here and mainline, anyone can go get another 30-50K a year job with crappy health care and no retirement, and be home every night. At mainline, the income is much harder to replace.

BTW, we didn't just lose 25% of our flying. We lost 25% of CVG, which is about 8% of our flying.

 

[DAL737FO]

Here is an honest question since I don't know. We all know what the definition of struck work is by union definition. How does that bear with a company that is not union? For instance XYZ company goes on strike at ABC hub. Also at ABC hub there is MNO company that is non union and has over lapping routes to company XYZ. Since there is no union at MNO company would it be considered struck work or just taking advantage of the plight of another company? I know that some pilots at some 135 operators were talking about not flying NetJets passengers if the NetJets pilots went on strike, however I think that they wouldn't have a leg to stand on when they got fired for refusing a trip.

 

[FDJ2]

Nobody is gonna strike no mater what happens with their contract. Idle threat and Delta mgnt knows it.

Can you name an ALPA carrier that hasn't struck when its contract was rejected?

 

[saab fixr]

Im surprised that you folks dont think for a moment that management is already preparing for such a strike? Much like the dispute between ACA and united When are you all going to learn your going to lose that battle. To say that delta wont survive is not only a foolish statment but one that is not well thought out !! There are many people that would step in and take your jobs Can you say GO jets and others? No one is that important anymore to any company its all about the money !!

 

[OCP]

Im surprised that you folks dont think for a moment that management is already preparing for such a strike? Much like the dispute between ACA and united When are you all going to learn your going to lose that battle. To say that delta wont survive is not only a foolish statment but one that is not well thought out !! There are many people that would step in and take your jobs Can you say GJs and others? No one is that important anymore to any company its all about the money !!

Really... Don't know if you've seen ATL lately, but if ASA stopped flying one day Delta would grind to a near halt that same day. 80 % of ASA passengers connect to a Delta aircraft.

 

[CFIT]

The most lethal weapon a union has is to strike.

It's the only weapon it's had since the dawn of time.

Don't you think management has figured this out by now?

 

[cmrflyer]

Well they can have all the $25000 a year jobs they want, Comair will strike if we get a chance, this job is worth more than the sh!tty pay that some of the new pilots at DCI are prepared to do it for. You can have it.
So long suckers, just remember that are a lot of eager idiots at the flight schools you just left that will do "your" job for less than you.
Don't get to use to your rented apartment, you may soon have to live out of your car if you keep on lowering that bar.

 

[BenderGonzales]

You guys won't strike.

When push comes to shove mortgages have to be paid, children have to be fed.

Big talk is easy -- action is a little more tricky.

We're not in a pre-09/11 world anymore. A strike today would have a fraction of the support that it did a few years ago. You will be promptly replaced by a mix of the remaining Delta Connection feeders and maybe a few new ones. (UAL's feed in Dulles suffered only briefly with the loss of ACA).

Beating your chest on a message board is one thing. Feeding your family is quite another. If you think you can find a better job, then quit and give it a shot. I have a feeling you're going to discover what the furloughees have known now since 2001... It's a lousy environment for job hunting.

Tough it up. The rest of the industry suffered after 09/11. You were foolish if you believed that you were immune.