Comair Flight attendants..

[ArcticFlier]

Disagree all you want. I've got two dictionaries in front of me. One (the newer one)makes no mention of a scab being someone who is non-union. The other (older one)makes mention of a union member working a non-union job or for non-union wages. That's where I'm coming from. But of course we believe everything we read on the internet don't we? We can agree to disagree. I'm fine with that.

AF

 

[ArcticFlier]

18 months ago, when someone's contract began, it was below most of the other regionals out there. Now all the other regionals have to lower their pay to just below your pay. So you went from the bottom in the good times to the top in the bad times. Congrats!!!!!!!! And another thing so you dont think that I am picking on you, I agree with you on the SCAB idea. You are not a SCAB because you work at SKYWEST. But lowering the bar the way you did in the good times and now thinking of how well you have done for yourself and the rest of the regionals out there in the bad times is the definition of an A$$ HO!E. Now if I could only find that dictionary with the pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UBA757

Wrong.

The good times were after 9/11? Huh? We were being squeezed (and still are) by you guys (assuming you work for UAL). I didn't agree with coming after the employee groups when there was a crap load of fat to be cut, but it's what happened. Except for the -700, we held our own. Can you say that at UAL?

Below other contracts? Are you specifically referring to the -700 thing? Hope so. That's about the only thing sub par about our "contract' as compared to others. You say that all the others have to lower themselves to where we are? You may want to look at our pay scales and work rules that govern our existing equipment. With the exception of the -700, we're just about top of the list. In other words' "do your homework."

Thinking how well I've done for myself? Somewhere on here I've mentioned that I was pissed the 18, now 36 or so month "TA" passed. I didn't vote for it, no have I ever said that I've "done well for myself."

Careful looking up that definition of A$$ HO!E in the dictionary, you may see something you dont' like.


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[ArcticFlier]

Were you there for the last two failed attempts to organize the SkyWest pilots, Sport? You may have some militant guys who see the need for a union but you can't muster enough votes so JA keeps pushing and you keep caving. Maybe spend more time in the crew room and less on this board and you can make it happen. ALPA is spending a lot of time and money trying to organize your pilots again and again the support seems soft. That is why the cards have not gone out. Pound your chest if you want--the soft support of the majority speaks louder than your B.S. For ALPA there is only so long they will continue to knock on a closed door! If you can't deliver a strong 65% or higher support for ALPA or whatever union you will have a totally divided pilot group and will be tested by management daily.

At ASA we are 96 months into a 48 month agreement. We still have too many pilots carrying the company around on their backs. Management with their anti-union law firms are aware if the vote seems to be getting close they can still sweeten the pay or benefits and many of the former militants will suck it up and be talking trash about how great JA is and how you guys can ride the backs of the union pilots and save that 1.95%. At any time JA thinks your pilots are getting close he can announce he is giving full back pay for the 700 pilots and is giving an industry leading rate to those on the 700. You could have refused to fly the 700 past the 18 months you gave him at one rate until he entered negotiations for a rate but you didn't do that! Your pilots seem to have a history of bending over and waiting for love. Prove us wrong!!

Do some homework, Macho Man.

Yep. I'm willing to bet (a double double at In N Out)I've been at SKYW longer than you've been at ASA. I've seen three(?) ALPA drives, a Teamsters drive, and an in house drive. When do you suppose that ALPA will give up? Three drives? Wow.

Spend more time in the crew room...........whatever. Nice assumption, but you don't know me, nor what I'm about.

You tell me that we are too soft on the union thing and then write that you have too many pilot carrying around the company on their backs? Ummmm yeah.

Explain to me how we could have "refused" the -700 flying. Told SGU to pound sand? Then what? I'm not checked out on the thing, but if SGU says "go get trained", guess what? As it stands right now, I have to if I want to have a job at the end of the day. We don't have a CBA type contract that is nationally recognized to back us up........right now. All SAPA could do was say "we want x amount to fly the -700. SGU says "no". SAPA says "niice wall paper." SAPA is a paper tiger, and nothing more, but we're trying to change that.

But of course I'm full of BS so what do I know?


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[Bizjet]

Yep. I'm willing to bet (a double double at In N Out)I've been at SKYW longer than you've been at ASA. I've seen three(?) ALPA drives, a Teamsters drive, and an in house drive. When do you suppose that ALPA will give up? Three drives? Wow.

Spend more time in the crew room...........whatever. Nice assumption, but you don't know me, nor what I'm about.

You tell me that we are too soft on the union thing and then write that you have too many pilot carrying around the company on their backs? Ummmm yeah.

Explain to me how we could have "refused" the -700 flying. Told SGU to pound sand? Then what? I'm not checked out on the thing, but if SGU says "go get trained", guess what? As it stands right now, I have to if I want to have a job at the end of the day. We don't have a CBA type contract that is nationally recognized to back us up........right now. All SAPA could do was say "we want x amount to fly the -700. SGU says "no". SAPA says "niice wall paper." SAPA is a paper tiger, and nothing more, but we're trying to change that.

But of course I'm full of BS so what do I know?


AF

I hope you guys are successful. I know that Delta has always been able to stay non-union because the employees in the past felt they were treated fairly. I think that now is gone forever but they are so glad to just have a job that forming a union is way down on their list.

Our pilots are militant. But it only takes a small group to give management hope that they can win the pilots hearts and minds in the crew lounge and not with fair treatment. Some young pilots are just glad to be flying right seat in a 700 instead of flight instructing. It takes a while for them to stop turning the other cheek.

In 2001 our pilots were polled to see if they would support Comair pilots who were on strike with a sympathy strike. 72% said they would walk off the job in support of Comair. 80% of that number thought it would be illegal to do so but were willing to toss it all for the Comair guys. I am proud that our guys were able to realize that it will always be some one's turn in the barrel. It is now ours.

Good luck.