Comair "Exception"

[Typhoon1244]

Okay, I give up: what's the significance of Comair operations in CVG using the callsign "Exception?"

(And incidentally, what's "blue Exception," "orange Exception," etc.?)

 

[chperplt]

Exceptions is what they call operations. Why they call it that... I don't know.

Different colors for different ramps. South ramp is gates 1-39 and North ramp is 40-79. Different person covering each ramp and it's quicker to call with color so they don't have to look up your flight # to see who is working the gate. A gates fall under one of the ramps..

Clear as mud?

 

[Caveman]

The reason they call it "Exceptions" is because it's who you call if you have something going on outside the norm. Other than temporarily canx all 1100 flights the ramp operation in CVG works extremely well. You will get your fuel, commissary, bags loaded, and pax boarded on time without having to ask for it. There are of course 'exceptions'......

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

It was called "Exceptions" from back in the first days of Concourse C. As noted above, most things are done automatically, but if you have and exception, you call "Exceptions." I didn't come up with it .

There are 4 wings to Concourse C. Each one has it's own color (RED, ORANGE, BLUE, AND GREEN). You can find your color on the bottom of the CALL FOR PUSH signs at each gate, a colored horizontal line near the bottom. You don't need to say the color, but it just gets the correct tower agent to answer your call. Concourse A is the GOLD team I believe.

 

[ifly4food]

I wondered what the colors meant too. What is the color for the A concourse gates?

CVG rocks, because everything is take care of. The same 5 rampers work one gate all day (so they're accountable) and they are actually trained to use all service equipment. You don't have to wait for a dedicated fueler or lavdumper or cleaner to get to you after he or she does a plane, takes a break, checks the sports scores, smacks a few asses, does another plane, etc, complains about The Man, etc... Don't you just love Atlanta?

Now I understand why the Comair crews whined so much on the radio in 'da ATL.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I wondered what the colors meant too. What is the color for the A concourse gates?

They belong to ASA...probably brown.

Now I understand why the Comair crews whined so much on the radio in 'da ATL.

Copidat.

 

[moscowcfi]

exception

The meaning of the word finally hit me when I had to call them from remote parking where we were getting a mechanical issue resolved with passengers on board to tell them that one of the passengers wanted to get off. It seems he used our holding time to call his business contact at the destination and learned that his meeting was cancelled. Or so he said.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

I wondered what the colors meant too. What is the color for the A concourse gates?

Now I understand why the Comair crews whined so much on the radio in 'da ATL.

I think Concourse A is GOLD.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'll give the folks credit in CVG. When ASA flew the ATRs through there a couple of years ago, that place was heaven.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Concourse A

There will be a gold team and a silver team in A after february if they are not in place already. There should be a color on top of the rids, when you key the mike look at the color and tell them "exceptions gold, gate 16, Jackson." Then call for your lav service so comair gets paid, from delta, for servicing ASA aircraft. Not a dollar left the pot, but there are a lot of managers to keep the books 'straight'.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

All around... the comair ramp people do a pitiful job... sometimes its like trying to pull teeth to even get the release and they seem to think that if they get us the release 5 minutes prior to push back its ok.

I wish that we could have brought our own people to MCO to show them how its done. Our STL ground operation is top notch.

 

[ifly4food]

All around... the comair ramp people do a pitiful job... sometimes its like trying to pull teeth to even get the release and they seem to think that if they get us the release 5 minutes prior to push back its ok.

I wish that we could have brought our own people to MCO to show them how its done. Our STL ground operation is top notch.

Are you kidding me?

Sounds like another whiny Chitty Kitty pilot. Tell me again how much less than ASA and Comair you're going to get paid to fly your new 70 seat aircraft. You've got a lot of nerve to undercut everyone in DCI, then turn around and badmouth Comair.

 

[~~~^~~~]

IFLY - AMEN BROTHER!

You also smellin what he steppin in?

 

[ifly4food]

IFLY - AMEN BROTHER!

You also smellin what he steppin in?

FINS TO THE LEFT!
FINS TO THE RIGHT!

A BOTTOM-DWELLER FEEDING FRENZY IS COMING LIVE TO ATLANTA AND CINCINNATTI TONIGHT!

 

[cmrflyer]

When Comair pilots were based in Orlando we never had a problem getting our releases on time.

We would get them ourselves.

Maybe we get paid more than you, because we do more than you (ie. getting our arses out of the planes and walking inside to print the release).

Stop your bitching whore, before someone like Mesa bitch slaps you...

 

[KingAirer]

I personally feel like Comair ramp crews do a great job at pretty much all stations I can think of. Often they are understaffed, but most times youll see them busting there tails to try get the job done. I give kudos to there HR dept for hiring people who..well...arent Burger King Rejects.

 

[Typhoon1244]

...the [C]omair ramp people do a pitiful job...

What are you smoking?

Of all the ramp personnel I've dealt with, Comair's are the most consistently friendly and efficient. That's at CVG, BHM, TYS...everywhere.

Now when you act like a prick, you tend to get treated like a prick. Maybe it's you, EMBjetpilot.

 

[surplus1]

All around... the comair ramp people do a pitiful job... sometimes its like trying to pull teeth to even get the release and they seem to think that if they get us the release 5 minutes prior to push back its ok.

I wish that we could have brought our own people to MCO to show them how its done. Our STL ground operation is top notch.

You should have figured out by now that there are more than one kind of fish in the pond. Some are "gold fish" (like ASA and CMR), others are just catfish. Gold fish get much more attention than catfish.

Understand?

 

[DDpaysoff]

What do they call the fish that you see hanging from sharks and whales that latch on to the big fish and suck the blood out of them and eat the shi.t off thier bodies? I think that pretty much explains what is going on at ole Delta Connection.

 

[aewanabe]

All around... the comair ramp people do a pitiful job... sometimes its like trying to pull teeth to even get the release and they seem to think that if they get us the release 5 minutes prior to push back its ok.

I wish that we could have brought our own people to MCO to show them how its done. Our STL ground operation is top notch.

(Aewanabe does a futile attempt at damage control from a CHQ pilot who must've posted drunk).....

What are you, nuts?? First of all, I've gotta say that in fairness the places that have CHQ-staffed ground crews (STL, IND, and some AA outstations, I think) ARE top-notch operations. However, the MCO operation is absolutely one of the finest we have the pleasure of dealing with. I don't have any clue about CVG's A-concourse because I haven't done any flying up that way, but the Comair guys and gals we work with in Orlando are exceptional. (I won't go into stations that are serviced by DGS ....) Oddly enough we don't here any griping from them about us "stealing their flying"..... Although any airline with 1100 pilots is gonna have it's share of a@@holes, I've heard both from the station manager and ramp crews in MCO how much they like working with us because we're not as stuck up as the "native" Comair crews. Go figure. In the meantime, if need be I do go get my own release (or throw bags); but I'VE NEVER HAD TO in MCO. E-jet pilot must never have the pleasure of flying through Philly.

Now for the rest of you broken-record dorks who had to go through the same, tired, "bottom-feeder" refrain... well, it's not really worth it explaining things anymore. Oddly enough, I've Jumpseated a couple dozen times on ASA and Comair, including 5 or so in the cockpit. I've received nothing but professional, courteous treatment from all your crews. So what's the deal? Am I really only running into the 1% of guys who don't know enough to hate me for dragging down the industry? Or is it just that all the hotheads are here on the internet? Frankly, since in-person y'all have been gracious enough to give the rides and share your jumpseats, I guess it really doesn't matter. You can make all the stale-ass CHQ jokes you want after I leave, in the meantime thanks for the ride.

(P.S. Surplus, the "goldfish-vs-catfish" comment was subtle, I liked that. I really thought you were smarter than the bashing, though. Have you been sucked in to the mob mentality? At any rate, regardless of what your pilots do or don't think of us, in all sincerity the OO ground crews really are superb, and the vast majority of us appreciate the service.)

 

[Nindiri]

I've never had problems with stations crewed by either airline. They were all good people.

 

[Sinca3]

I have to say that CVG is run ok! I didn't leave on time once in 6 departures from CVG and they were atleast 25min turns....2 were 45+ minute turns. They are hard working sometimes maybe even most of the time but surely not all the time!!!
Also it is rare to get the services that are requested...ie lav dump.
Noone likes doing it but if it is your job and it is requested in plenty of time it should get done!
Sorry for the rant just bad experience last week in CVG.
All in All I really enjoy working with the Comair folks!
Ciao

 

[chperplt]

Sorry for the rant just bad experience last week in CVG

40+ rampies quite the day before Christams... They are a bit short staffed right now.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Now for the rest of you broken-record dorks who had to go through the same, tired, "bottom-feeder" refrain... well, it's not really worth it explaining things anymore. Oddly enough, I've Jumpseated a couple dozen times on ASA and Comair, including 5 or so in the cockpit. I've received nothing but professional, courteous treatment from all your crews. So what's the deal? Am I really only running into the 1% of guys who don't know enough to hate me for dragging down the industry?

I've answered this in a new thread called "Bottom-Feeders." Check it out...

 

[surplus1]

(P.S. Surplus, the "goldfish-vs-catfish" comment was subtle, I liked that. I really thought you were smarter than the bashing, though. Have you been sucked in to the mob mentality? At any rate, regardless of what your pilots do or don't think of us, in all sincerity the OO ground crews really are superb, and the vast majority of us appreciate the service.)

Awanabe,

I don't like the "bashing" routines and try hard to avoid them. No, I haven't been sucked into the mob mentality. However, you must also understand that I am human just like everyone else. Your "brother", embraerjetpilot, chose to launch what I thought was an unprovoked attack against the ground personnel at my airline. I am a pilot but I respect the ground people on our team and they are my brother's too. Ninety-nine out of a hundred are good people and do a terrific job. When my brother is attacked, even though I may have some "differences" with him, I will come to his defense and help repel the attacker. When the squabble is over, I'll go back to dealing with my "differences" with him. You see, our "rampies" are not pilots but they are a part of my "family".

I don't "hate" or even dislike anybody and I'll often remain quiet even when I'm not "in love" with the sihtuation. If my "pond" is attacked, I will defend it, especially when I know the defense is justified. We are not perfect and I make no such claim but we're way ahead of whomever is in second place. I didn't throw the rock. I just caught the rock that was thrown, and threw it back.

You are welcome in "the pond", until you attempt to muddy the water. Goldfish don't like muddy water and do not fare well swimming on or near the bottom. This species of goldfish will do battle to keep the pond clear. Carassius auratus have scales whereas Pylodictis olivaris do not. This makes crossbreeding very difficult under the best of circumstances.

Thanks for your attempt at "damage control". It went a long way to calming the embraer waves and clearing the water. Objective criticism is always welcome.

Regards,
Surplus1

 

[Typhoon1244]

Goldfish don't like muddy water and do not fare well swimming on or near the bottom. This species of goldfish will do battle to keep the pond clear.

I'm reminded of a former Eastern pilot who walked out of an interview at UPS after being asked: "if you were a fish, what kind of fish would you be?"

I'm happy to see surplus has worked out his answer already...

 

[surplus1]

If Surplus1 really had a choice he would probably prefer to be a shark. However, he's only a goldfish. When goldfish are forced to swim with sharks we all know who gets eaten.

PS. The thought of giving the swallowing shark a strong case of indigestion does wonders for the goldfish's self esteem. Kinda like kicking the bully in the shins.