Comair / ASA Merger

[ICU]

You guy's have way to much time on your hands.

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1,

I think a lot of people like to yank my chain, and that is fun. I enjoy this board. As far as a seniority merge or staple, I agree with that---as a staple. I have no problem with ASA/Comair guys bidding for MD-88FO slots, or 737FO slots----as long as there was a staple. Just think, someday if I upgrade to MD-88 Capt in ATL---you could be my FO!! We would have a blast---and you could show me how to really fly an ILS. I'd buy dinner, though. Take it easy.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[thesource]

Here's an idea. Let's put the new 100 seaters at ASA and CMR and staff them with furloughed DELTA pilots then as Delta recalls them the aircraft stay at the WO carriers. Works on both sides and in the end Delta gets a less expensive 100 seater and we see some growth and end with a place where some of us older guys(37) could retire if the sun doesn't shine on us before we're too old !!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

For any of you ASA pilots on this board I just wanted to let you know that there are several of us at Comair with the opinion that our MEC should tell mgt. that we will listen to their concerns, but ONLY after the ASA pilots have a new ratified working agreement.

 

[Caveman]

AFELLOWAVIATOR is 100% correct. Anything we do regarding concessions would put a stake in the heart of the ASA negotiations. I wouldn't like it one little bit if they did that to us. I for one will not agree to anything that would in any way jeopardize their negotiations.

 

[General Lee]

thesource,

That would be fine, as long as we could go back to them in the next downturn. I think our furloughs would love to fly them, but I actually hope to see them coming back alittle sooner--or atleast start to come back. It is only natural for our guys to fly the 100 seater since it is replaceing the current 100 seater (well, really 107 seater)--the 737-200.

Afellowaviator,

That is a good idea---do not screw over ASA. Atleast you are thinking like a team. Hopefully we can all be like that someday.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Every merger between two airlines that I have ever seen has some sort of fence agreement which restricts the bidding from one side to the other.

An ASA/Comair merge might, for example, have a three years fence. No Comair pilot could bid ATL or DFW until the fence is down. No ASA pilot could bid CVG (Comair all CVG, ALL the time!) in return.

This begs the question, why merge the seniority lists if there would, at least initially, be no change? I think that is the attitude of our MEC, since a merge would at first accomplish very little, they are not inclined to pay the exorbitant price that management would demand.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Here's an idea. Let's put the new 100 seaters at ASA and CMR and staff them with furloughed DELTA pilots then as Delta recalls them the aircraft stay at the WO carriers. Works on both sides and in the end Delta gets a less expensive 100 seater and we see some growth and end with a place where some of us older guys(37) could retire if the sun doesn't shine on us before we're too old !!

Not a bad thought at all as far as returning furloughed pilots, but it would create some excess pilots at mainline currently. For purely selfish reasons, I would prefer to see the 100 seaters stay where I want to go. The pay rate on them is pretty good at Delta, and more importantly it creates jobs at the higher bennie, better retirement level.

AFA said:

For any of you ASA pilots on this board I just wanted to let you know that there are several of us at Comair with the opinion that our MEC should tell mgt. that we will listen to their concerns, but ONLY after the ASA pilots have a new ratified working agreement.

I agree wholeheartedly.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[AvJunke]

Afellowaviator,

That is a good idea---do not screw over ASA. Atleast you are thinking like a team. Hopefully we can all be like that someday.

Bye Bye--General Lee [/B][/QUOTE]


Just an observation from a bystander; Gen., how can you pretend to promote team play when your purpose in life is to stay on this forum to deride and threaten Comair pilots with their suspected inability to go to your "mothership"? It's all one family, right? Play nice kids.

 

[ICU]

Afellowaviator,

That is a good idea---do not screw over ASA. Atleast you are thinking like a team. Hopefully we can all be like that someday.

Bye Bye--General Lee [/B][/QUOTE]

General Lee
You obviously have know idea how full of your self you sound, if you do indeed work for big Delta as you profess to, then keep your pithy comments for the Delta board, where you might actually get someone that agrees with you.
I for one, am sick and tired of your pontifical advice which boarders on aristocracy. If I need your help I'll ask for it, but don't hold your breath. On second thoughts DO!
PS
(How about changing your rank to Private Lee to start with.)

 

[Bill Mostellar]

General Lee
You obviously have know idea how full of your self you sound, if you do indeed work for big Delta as you profess to, then keep your pithy comments for the Delta board, where you might actually get someone that agrees with you.
I for one, am sick and tired of your pontifical advice which boarders on aristocracy. If I need your help I'll ask for it, but don't hold your breath. On second thoughts DO!
PS
(How about changing your rank to Private Lee to start with.)

General Lee doesn't need me to answer for him, but I will since I've been a regular on this board since 1998 (Mark, has it really been that long?) and have seen many regulars come and go.

Your profile indicates you've only been here a little while. These forums are for the exchange of information, debate of current issues, and general entertainment of the easily amused. If you don't like what General Lee has to say, don't read his posts (you can set up an ignore list in your profile).

'General Lee' posted a couple of months ago that his name is a reference to The Dukes of Hazzard TV show from the 70's. If anything he should change his name to 'Daisy's Shorts' or 'The Jeep.' ;>

Take a deep breath, read some more posts and join the debate. Don't react emotionally and wish that someone will 'hold their breath' until you ask for help.

I wish you success!

 

[N2264J]

Obviously the only purpose these two quasi - separate airlines serve is to provide an end run around scope and provide leverage to whip saw organized labor.

As Surplus points out, nothing is gained in a CMR/ASA merger until the representational problem with ALPA is fixed and their MECs can negotiate directly with their real management. By the way, CMR/ASA pilots would have to pay dearly for a merger which accomplishes essentially nothing.

Keep in mind that it is not less painful for the cat to cut its tail off one inch at a time.

Now a merger between Delta, Comair and ASA would go a long way toward fixing a lot of fundamental representational problems and, I suppose, make the lawsuit moot. Well guess what, it's starting to look like all three MECs will have the opportunity to be in negotiations at the same time. And if Delta is really serious about cutting costs, they can start by trimming down on three redundant management teams.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Duane Woerth is supposed to be the guest of honor at the October 9th meeting of the Comair MEC. Something is up....

Any guesses?

 

[FLB717]

Guess's, Yes lots of them, some are true

 

[General Lee]

ICU,

Funny post. I am glad to see some flight attendants on this board, that might give us a different view of things. As far as the "family" is concerned here, I have always wanted everyone to "act" like a family---even though some choose to only do so with a hand out at the same time. I have been an "extreme" advocate of our furloughs, and I have fought verbally with many to try to help their cause. I have never "threatened" anyone, just warned them about probable reactions from our pilot group, and some of that may come true. I see and hear things everyday in the ATL crew lounge, and I express some of them on this open forum. The ASA pilots have treated our group as more of a family, and therefore I believe that they will have good things flow their way eventually, as far as Comair--I am not as certain. That is reality and I wish it could have been different.

Bill,

You don't have to make excuses for me, I am able to do that for myself. Some people really get wrapped up on this board, and I use it to get a GENERAL feeling of what is going on out there, and the latest rumors---even though they may be bogus. Other than that, I have fun with my wife, ride bikes, workout, and go to work and have fun. Yes, I have an opinion and it is worth the same as everyone elses---and people can ignore me and I think that would be great. Most don't though, due to the fact that I actually am aware of what is going on in this industry, and I have GENERAL feeling of what most, not all, Delta line pilots think. Take it for what it is worth.

Bye Bye--General Lee