Colgan!

[dingo222]

Anyone listen to the conference call today?

 

[rhino3040]

Yup sure did.......
They are selling 1 beech (LVB) and getting rid of 2 more down the road in the next 3 months. Low on SAAB fo's, slowing upgrades and a few transitions. Other than same old ********************.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Are they still "interviewing" for upgrades?

 

[dingo222]

slowing upgrades........ that sure as fruck won't help stop all the FO's from leaving. When are they going to learn? FO's are leaving in droves because 2nd yr pay sucks and longer upgrades. I'd bet they we are losing more a month than we can replace. So instead of hiring more and paying them better, they just stop the upgrades. Real smart.......

Are they replacing those 1900's, or putting saabs on those routes?

 

[pgcfii2002]

Just think....if they raised FO pay.....they might stay.

 

[dingo222]

yeah, thats why im saying, and everyone at colgan for the last 10 yrs. Unfortunate for colgan, there are too many other job options out there. I know of 3 that will leave in the next 2 weeks to republic alone. I guess i'll be sending out spinzels for x-mas presents this year. Anybody want some?

 

[pgcfii2002]

Its the free market.....6-12 months experience at a low paying airline is bound to open up doors elsewhere.

 

[rhino3040]

Per the conference call, they are replacing the beech's with the Saab at those airports where it can be done. I just feel really bad for the beech fo's who are 3-6 months away from upgrade. Sucks to be them. Whats all this about Cleveland?

 

[dingo222]

dude, that blows for those beech fo's. Hopefully they will get to upgrade right along with everyone else since they will have the total time, just not the time in type. what bases can they do it in? SHD?

 

[Prop2Jet]

Yeah that blows for the Beech guys. I must say though it would tick me off to see them upgrade to the Saab if they have no time in it--at least right away.
I am sure things will work out though.
As far as upgrades slowing that just sucks. So it slows and now we have upgrade interviews etc.... You know what will happen when they need captains next, no more upgrade interviews!
Just a matter of time.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Funny also, two weeks ago Mikey said we are keeping the A model saabs and should expect more flying lines in March, now how are they going to do that and replace the beech airplanes with so many people leaving?

 

[rhino3040]

SHD, AOO, can't really think of any others

 

[340SAM]

So if Colgan took the 2nd year pay to $ 27 no one would leave for Republic

 

[Beech Balls]

In terms of replacing Beeches....let me say this...believe it when you see it, and only then. They told us they were going to get rid of the C model Beeches (anyone remember those?? I sure do) for the longest time....and it only happened in March of 05. Took 5 years.....

 

[jtrain609]

Yeah that blows for the Beech guys. I must say though it would tick me off to see them upgrade to the Saab if they have no time in it--at least right away.
I am sure things will work out though.

Sorry dude have to call you out on that one.

Let's pretend there are four guys with 2500 hours total time and 1500 hours of Turbine SIC at Colgan. If there are two Beech FOs who are number 123, 124 in seniority and two Saab FOs who are 145, 146, AND they are getting rid of the Beech, the Beech FOs should have the opportunity to upgrade AS SAAB CAPTAINS AHEAD OF THE SAAB FOs. Take a look at any other airline out there, if you are an FO and want to bid as Captain on another airplane they fly, if you can hold that bid, then you have the opportunity to bid it as Captain. DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME IN THE AIRPLANE. The Saab is not the Space Shuttle, furthermore in the past year two FOs on the Beech did not make it through upgrade. The Saab FOs have had as many as three in one class not make it through upgrade.

Regardless it will work its way out. Yes it does stink to be one of those guys looking to upgrade soon on the Beech, however I would MUCH rather be at a company that is adding airplanes and fills a niche market, than getting rid of them.

Furthermore, second and third year pay FO pay should be increased ACROSS THE BOARD.