Colgan Update!! 1-22-07

[PCL_128]

They can't allow any flying for NW by anyone other than Pinnacle pilots per the contract.

I don't know what you're getting at here. What contract? If you're referring to the contract between the company and NWA, then that contract doesn't prohibit Phil from transferring flying from one Pinnacle subsidiary to another. As long as Pinnacle Corp is doing the flying, NWA doesn't care. If you are referring to the PCL pilot CBA, then our agreement doesn't refer to NWA flying at all. Our agreement states that all "Company" flying must be done by pilots on the Pinnacle seniority list. The question is whether "company" refers to Pinnacle Airlines or Pinnacle Corp (holding company).

 

[TurboAWD]

i understand. the only carrier with a decent rate is comair.

Oh, I don't know, Air Wisconsin, Horizon, and ExpressJet see to have pretty decent (for "small jet/regional" airline) contracts.

Hmm, they are all Union too. 3 out of the 4 ALPA.

Hmmmmmm.....


Turbo

 

[TurboAWD]

What governs our salaries and work rules in the end is simple job market dynamics. When pilots are hard to find our QOL and pay will go up. Until then we are turning this bolt with a very short wrench.

Not completely, thanks to Collective Bargaining Agreements (although politicians have been trying to change this for quite some time now).

Turbo

 

[suupah]

I don't know what you're getting at here. What contract? If you're referring to the contract between the company and NWA, then that contract doesn't prohibit Phil from transferring flying from one Pinnacle subsidiary to another. As long as Pinnacle Corp is doing the flying, NWA doesn't care. If you are referring to the PCL pilot CBA, then our agreement doesn't refer to NWA flying at all. Our agreement states that all "Company" flying must be done by pilots on the Pinnacle seniority list. The question is whether "company" refers to Pinnacle Airlines or Pinnacle Corp (holding company).

alright, i have not read your cba. i am going by what phil said which is that all NWA flying must be done by pinnacle pilots. maybe his legal advisors interpret "company" as meaning NWA. who knows.

These guys don't really care who is doing the flying as long as they are getting fat rich off of it.

 

[PCL_128]

alright, i have not read your cba. i am going by what phil said...

I'm just going to stop you right there. If Phil's lips are moving, then he's lying. You'll become accustomed to it pretty quickly.

 

[suupah]

I'm just going to stop you right there. If Phil's lips are moving, then he's lying. You'll become accustomed to it pretty quickly.

yeah i just read what he said in your conference call. it sounds a little different than what he said in ours. he never alluded that he was going to try and put jets on colgan. that would be a disaster! seriously in more than one way

 

[Prop2Jet]

Great start to a "new company" two separate conference calls..... gee I wonder why they did that (sense the sarcasm?)

Hang in there

 

[Prop2Jet]

You know I have been disconnected from the industry. I did not follow other airlines as some. But one thing is for sure. Something will happen to us and to you. I am sure it will not be good or it might be. So what are we to do? Smart$$? What is YOUR solution? I am being serious too.

How can we stop or prevent our bosses from changing the current status quo? Should we all just stop flying? Not pay our bills? Go hungry!
No matter what has happened in airline history the pilots ALWAYS get screwed. So I guess it is the degree of screwing we should challenge?

But how?

 

[Smarta$$]

We need to demand that the lists be integrated in a fair way so that management can not use one pilot group against the other. There is no other solution. Until then, we will be pitted against one another for the cheapest wages. Like I said before, the only enemy I have lives in memphis.

 

[suupah]

who decides if the groups can merge the list?

 

[PCL_128]

who decides if the groups can merge the list?

Ultimately? The courts.

 

[suupah]

if say both pilot groups wanted to merge the list and agreed upon a fair way to do it, how would they go about getting that done?

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

How about we don't merge. There is an idea. How about unions suck management rules and leave us along enough is enough already. I used to like reading flightinfo colgan posts now it is filled with whipsaw and 9e really boring crap.

 

[BirdCatcher]

Howabout Colgan pilots come together in an open forum and discuss together what we need to do. I think something needs to be done, just not sure what. The worst thing we can do is nothing.

How about we don't merge. There is an idea. How about unions suck management rules and leave us along enough is enough already. I used to like reading flightinfo colgan posts now it is filled with whipsaw and 9e really boring crap.

 

[Smarta$$]

How about we don't merge. There is an idea. How about unions suck management rules and leave us along enough is enough already. I used to like reading flightinfo colgan posts now it is filled with whipsaw and 9e really boring crap.

Boy, you sound like a natural leader. How inspiring you are. You do so much for your chosen profession and I can tell you will leave a great legacy for our future airline pilots. A true professional in every sense of the word.