Colgan Starts at $14,400?

[ILStoMinimums]

Does the Saab pay the same as the 1900?

 

[BRA]

no it does not, they are different.

 

[MELIT]

no it does not, they are different.

Not when they are broke, you get nothing.

 

[voteno]

much love ... better luck next time ... I like getting my $25,000 to do something I love, work 4 days a week, being home every night to do my wife so that she keeps paying for my toys ... oh yea, and those 4 days are from mon-thurs ... leaves plenty of time to make money elsewhere ... You can keep your RJs, 4 day trips, and hotel living ...

How could you have possibly missed "The opportunity of a lifetime" that occured in 1983! You could have flown an airplane with only 2 levers and do it in the left seat! I guess you were born 20 years to late!

 

[R2D cup]

Oh the good ole' days ... nothing like taking a drive by Hunts Point .........


BTW ... I'll be finishing up my first year at Colgan here soon and I'll come in over $25,000 for the year .... Yet to have less than a 100 hr credit month ... Not everyone gets that lucky but goes to show it's definetly not the worst place ...

Its proud pilots like this we can thank for lowering the BAR.
If this bar gets any lower I'm gonna shove it up your a$$.

LATE

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Nah my cars are paid off from when I had a real job ..... I actually chose to do this because I was miserable making six figures behind a desk ... I'm not the right guy to make fun of cuz of my salary Jack ... I've made 3 times what you make in a year and it's not all about the money ... that's where marrying a woman that can support you comes in handy ...

much love ... better luck next time ... I like getting my $25,000 to do something I love, work 4 days a week, being home every night to do my wife so that she keeps paying for my toys ... oh yea, and those 4 days are from mon-thurs ... leaves plenty of time to make money elsewhere ... You can keep your RJs, 4 day trips, and hotel living ...

you, dip$hit, are a tool.

25K to "do something I love"..."its not all about the money"

aint that special.

 

[Flywrite]

Nah my cars are paid off from when I had a real job ..... I actually chose to do this because I was miserable making six figures behind a desk ... I'm not the right guy to make fun of cuz of my salary Jack ... I've made 3 times what you make in a year and it's not all about the money ... that's where marrying a woman that can support you comes in handy ...

much love ... better luck next time ... I like getting my $25,000 to do something I love, work 4 days a week, being home every night to do my wife so that she keeps paying for my toys ... oh yea, and those 4 days are from mon-thurs ... leaves plenty of time to make money elsewhere ... You can keep your RJs, 4 day trips, and hotel living ...

Boy, I bet guys love flying with you...

 

[TheBigH]

Its proud pilots like this we can thank for lowering the BAR.
If this bar gets any lower I'm gonna shove it up your a$$.

LATE

Hey a$$hole, guess what, BIG NEWS, I fly a 1900 ... you wanna see someone about lowering the bar, call up your buddies flying 70 seat RJs ... If you think getting paid $25,000 your first year to fly a 1900 around is lowering the bar it shows how little you know ... We're the highest paid 1900 pilots around ... how's that lowering the BAR ????

 

[TheBigH]

Boy, I bet guys love flying with you...

Yea they do cuz I show up with a smile to work ...

 

[TheBigH]

you, dip$hit, are a tool.

25K to "do something I love"..."its not all about the money"

aint that special.

If you'd bother to get your head out your a$$ and think for one second, you'd realize the point of this post was the incorrectly stated 1st year pay at Colgan .... obviously it won't be 25K/yr for life ... I hope you guys use your brains a little better in your jets ....

 

[Flywrite]

Yea they do cuz I show up with a smile to work ...

H,

I respect and admire the fact that you go to work with a smile on your face, too many in this business (and many others) do not. My implication that others may not look forward to flying with you may be incorrect, you may be a heck of a guy, but your comments in this thread point in another direction.

You seem to be smiling at work because (not "cuz") you used to make a lot of money (somewhere in the 250K+ range seems to be what you are claiming based on earlier comments). Because of this money and a wife who supports you (and who you go home to "do"...classy...) you dont care how much you make.

If you take a daytrip to the world where most of us fly you will find that this is usually not the situation for many of the guys you think enjoy flying with you.

Many of them do not have large savings accounts and wives who support them. Many of them have wives who themselves are making sacrifices so that they can pursue a dream of flying for a "living". They may have a couple of kids who are getting reduced lunches as school because Dad flies for the Colgan family and mom had to give up her career because Dad is gone so much and daycare is not available or cost effective.

Maybe these pilots are not so happy that there is always some doofus ready and willing to fly for peanuts and who dont give a rat's rear about anyone else because they have what they want.

That, BigH is why I can imagine why others may not like flying with you, because like many others starting out in this business, all you care about is what YOU want and what works for YOU.

Just remember next time you're sitting there in your big King Air grinning like a monkey that the guy in the other seat may not look so happy because he has a sick kid who needs expensive medication, but he is struggling to pay for it on the salary he makes flying 120 hours a month.

That is what we mean when we speak of lowering the bar.

 

[TheBigH]

H,

I respect and admire the fact that you go to work with a smile on your face, too many in this business (and many others) do not. My implication that others may not look forward to flying with you may be incorrect, you may be a heck of a guy, but your comments in this thread point in another direction.

You seem to be smiling at work because (not "cuz") you used to make a lot of money (somewhere in the 250K+ range seems to be what you are claiming based on earlier comments). Because of this money and a wife who supports you (and who you go home to "do"...classy...) you dont care how much you make.

If you take a daytrip to the world where most of us fly you will find that this is usually not the situation for many of the guys you think enjoy flying with you.

Many of them do not have large savings accounts and wives who support them. Many of them have wives who themselves are making sacrifices so that they can pursue a dream of flying for a "living". They may have a couple of kids who are getting reduced lunches as school because Dad flies for the Colgan family and mom had to give up her career because Dad is gone so much and daycare is not available or cost effective.

Maybe these pilots are not so happy that there is always some doofus ready and willing to fly for peanuts and who dont give a rat's rear about anyone else because they have what they want.

That, BigH is why I can imagine why others may not like flying with you, because like many others starting out in this business, all you care about is what YOU want and what works for YOU.

Just remember next time you're sitting there in your big King Air grinning like a monkey that the guy in the other seat may not look so happy because he has a sick kid who needs expensive medication, but he is struggling to pay for it on the salary he makes flying 120 hours a month.

That is what we mean when we speak of lowering the bar.

Oh God no, if I was making 250+ I'd shoot myself ... It down in the low 100's ... And I see what you mean, perhaps I didn't state my opinions correctly, but MELIT just has a way of saying things to piss people off ...

Let's try again, I am not happy because I make 25K to fly an overgrown King Air, I'm happy because I always wanted to be a pilot and that's what I am. I went into this fully knowing the sacrifice that had to be made, and the BAR was already lowered by then ... You're right, a lot of the guys I fly with are struggling to support their families, and believe it or not some have it even better than me ... But none of us went to Colgan because we were lowering the BAR ... it just happened to be the company that offered the job when we needed it ...

And trust me I care a lot about the guys I fly with, it's one of the big reasons I've stayed at Colgan ... this airline has more kick ass people than anything else and you can ask anyone that works here or has worked here that and they'll tell you the same ...

Oh and the savings account is long gone, I've just adjusted my spending habits, ask anyone that makes or has made a lot of money, the more you make the more you spend ... for me it was a matter of giving up the good life to go do something for a living that I don't mind waking up in the morning to go do ... It does help a lot that I don't have to support the fam, if I did I sure as hell would not have chosen this path knowing that the real BAR has been lowered by the RJ drivers of the world ... guys in Beeches don't lower the BAR my friend ...

 

[FirstMate]

How common...Nobody cares nor wants to hear about how you used to make a six figure salary. "if I was making 250+ I'd shoot myself ... It down in the low 100's " GAG

 

[Magneto]

if I did I sure as hell would not have chosen this path knowing that the real BAR has been lowered by the RJ drivers of the world ... guys in Beeches don't lower the BAR my friend ...

You're not making many friends with comments like this. Grow up.

 

[TheBigH]

You're not making many friends with comments like this. Grow up.

Oh sorry, I make real friends in real life, not on message boards where my buddies and I get bashed all the time ...

Hang on while I go cry ....

 

[capt. megadeth]

being home every night to do my wife so that she keeps paying for my toys ...

Hey Big H,
Why don't you show your wife this post?

Classy.

 

[BRA]

I wonder what the percentage is of colgan pilots that are actually living paycheck to paycheck? I know it isn't 100%. I wonder if it is better then 50%? Including FO's my guess is the percentage is small. Also consider how many PFT we have here, including those that went to GIA in a prior life.

 

[HughBeamont]

You know what you're going to make when you come to Colgan. Lot's of sites will tell you that.

At my base, we see newbies with 1100 total / 100 ME, flight instructors, etc. and this is their first 121 job. If you end up in the right base, it's a great move. 800 hrs SIC / year. And then:

1) go to a jet regional in a year, or,
2) upgrade in a year in a half.

If you stay, 1900 captains pay in the mid-$30Ks. 1000 PIC and 15 months after that, you get the Saab type, make $45K and build more PIC.

Anyone that comes to Colgan will succeed if they try. You just have to put up with the BS, and the BS is diminishing all the time, thanks to the FAA. They are watching Colgan closely to ensure that they don't expand (too far) beyond their capablities.

I recommend it.

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Hugh, you're just plain class. Well said.

Shy

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

On the other hand, I love the reasoning that you can fly at Colgan and beat ExpressJet's first year pay just because you can work more (and consequently have no home life) in a smaller aircraft.

I'm just stating fact, that at Colgan (a commuter) you can beat regional pay, even if by working harder. There are 19 seats in the 1900 and up to 100 in the RJ... at least the commuter pilot is being paid more like a main-liner per seat.

Shy

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Does he use the same math he used to come up with the $14,400 figure when he is spouting off about the number of jobs coming?

Actually, he got the 1st year pay at Colgan and the number of airline jobs next year mixed up... he meant 14,400 new jobs this year and $25,000 1st year salary. Either way you cut it, his math doesn't add up.

Shy

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

If you take a daytrip to the world where most of us fly you will find that this is usually not the situation for many of the guys you think enjoy flying with you.

He doesn't have to. He works for a company who makes you leave home for 4-6 hours a day, and then return home... at the pay of $25,000 as previously stated. On the other hand, regional pilots are working their asses off, leaving home with the wife and kids, and moving 40, 50, 70, 90, and 100 pax FOR THE SAME PAY!!! Who's the idiot now? Colgan isn't supposed to be setting the bar, they're supposed to be the bottom. Colgan pilots are supposed to WANT to leave the turboprop for the jet, but WHY WOULD THEY? IT'S THE JET BOYS WHO ARE LOWERING THE BAR BY FLYING MAINLINE-SIZED JETS AROUND FOR THE SAME PAY AS COLGAN'S 1900! Think about that and quit bashing Colgan for "lowering the bar." They aren't, because the bar hasn't moved for the Colgan pilots... but it has for ExpressJet, Shuttle, and others.

Maybe these pilots are not so happy that there is always some doofus ready and willing to fly for peanuts and who dont give a rat's rear about anyone else because they have what they want.

You're talking about RJ folks here, not the lowly 1900 and Saab boys at Colgan. Don't misinterpret this as a swipe at RJ pilots, but simply as a defence of the poor ba$tards flying the props.

Shy

 

[Godfather]

Kit Darby you are now on the hit list of the Godfather....you scumbag!

I hope your X wife gets eveything she deserves, divorce is a b*tch ain't it. As for me giving you anymore $$$ to fund your f'n retirement...fuggetaboutit my friend.

As for your Air Inc......It didn't land me that 777 job at Delta like you promised. You're just another scam artist...

so go away you puke...and don't come up to any more job fairs telling me my life is great....cause I'm still in that same left seat of a 34 seater prop job bustin my as* for 50K a year for that company you proclaim to be the MOTHER OF ALL BOTTOM FEEDERS. I want my $$ back you slick as* snake oil salesman.

Yeah, I'm p*ssed and mad as h*ll and I ain't takin it no more cause I'm screwed for life thanks to ol Cappy Kit.

 

[TheBigH]

Hey Big H,
Why don't you show your wife this post?

Classy.

I did, she says to kiss her classy a$$ ....


Godfather, BRA, Hugh, Shy .... let it out brothers, just let it all out, it's time for a revolution ......

 

[shamrock]

Shy-

I keep seeing you compare "commuter" airlines to "Regional" airlines in this thread.

What exactly is the difference?

 

[capt. megadeth]

I did, she says to kiss her classy a$$ ....

Interesting....she must be really smart.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I did, she says to kiss her classy a$$ ....


Godfather, BRA, Hugh, Shy .... let it out brothers, just let it all out, it's time for a revolution ......

"kiss her classy a$$"???

quite a woman you got there....

.

 

[TheBigH]

LMAO @ both you cptmegadeth & g200, what a bunch of wennies ... since you two are such ladies why don't you two get hitched and be each other's classy wives ....





Must get real lonely for you to take all this so seriously ... quite sad ...

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Shy-

I keep seeing you compare "commuter" airlines to "Regional" airlines in this thread.

What exactly is the difference?

Back in the good ol' days, a legacy carrier flew between major cities like, say Chicago and New York. Since there are millions upon millions of people who live too far from Chicago to drive, yet would love to fly to New York, the legacys would contract out the smaller cities to commuter airlines. They would feed Chicago from smaller, little more distant cities like Kalamazoo, South Bend, Fort Wayne, Rockford, Champaign, Davenport, Bloomington, Madison, Milwaukee, etc since it would not be logical or profitable for the major airliner to run a 727 or 737 to those small towns. Normally, that commuter airline would fly small turboprops like the Jetstream or Beech and helped a major airline serve an entire region, rather than single cities.

Now days, the regional airline is an airline in its own rite. They fly from Cinncinati to Salt Lake City, from Houston to Chicago, from New York to Atlanta, Chicago to New York, etc. They have replaced legacy airliners.

The regional airline used to just serve regions, like ASA (Atlantic Southeast Airlines) or ACA (Atlantic Coast Airlines); as opposed to the commuter airline which simply serves a few major cities, if that, like Chicago Express (Chicago), Great Lakes (Formerly Chicago, now Denver), and Colgan (Mainly D.C., Boston, NY, and Houston... check out the route map for the NE sometime, looks like someone was drinking when they made that).

I hope this helps clarify the difference.

Shy

 

[Magneto]

LMAO @ both you cptmegadeth & g200, what a bunch of wennies ... since you two are such ladies why don't you two get hitched and be each other's classy wives ....





Must get real lonely for you to take all this so seriously ... quite sad ...

Just curious........what's a "wennie"?