Colgan shutting down

[Kaman]

The family of 46 passengers cares...........

Actually there were 50 people that were killed. I believe you might have forgotten that the crew also had families who has had their lives changed forever.


The family of a guy living in a house in Clarence, NY cares..........


Your employer, a sad excuse of an airline has disappeared just as quickly as it grew exponentially with no oversight. And now, there are many family members of victims who may not get the appropriate compensation for their losses.

I don't think that someone that flew for an equally crappy airline like 9e should be throwing rocks. No oversight? So, if that is the case I believe you should have been on the FAA safety hotline if you knew all along that their was no oversight.
Passenger's families are entitled to what is provided for under the terms of carriage on the airline. Pursuing anything outside the scope of that is going to fail. I am not callous, but the reality is by setting a new legal standard it will drive the airline either out of business or make flying prohibitively expensive.
In the realm of airline accidents, corporate malfeasance and government oversight this wasn't a unique accident. It was, however, handled in a unique fashion by the press and congress and the resultant airline safety improvement act is likely NOT to increase safety.

And you have the gall to say "who cares"?!?!

And, your response about "having the gall". A good friend of mine was on that airplane and I can SAY ANYTHING I WANT...So, again WHO CARES if CJC is parking ALL THE F'ing Qs...OK??? So, go back to your pathetic little bottom-feeding LCC and mind your flippin' business...

 

[gojo]

And, your response about "having the gall". A good friend of mine was on that airplane and I can SAY ANYTHING I WANT...So, again WHO CARES if CJC is parking ALL THE F'ing Qs...OK??? So, go back to your pathetic little bottom-feeding LCC and mind your flippin' business...

I think Flyer, who you quoted, is on your side here

 

[Flyer1015]

I don't think that someone that flew for an equally crappy airline like 9e should be throwing rocks. No oversight? So, if that is the case I believe you should have been on the FAA safety hotline if you knew all along that their was no oversight.
Passenger's families are entitled to what is provided for under the terms of carriage on the airline. Pursuing anything outside the scope of that is going to fail. I am not callous, but the reality is by setting a new legal standard it will drive the airline either out of business or make flying prohibitively expensive.
In the realm of airline accidents, corporate malfeasance and government oversight this wasn't a unique accident. It was, however, handled in a unique fashion by the press and congress and the resultant airline safety improvement act is likely NOT to increase safety.

I don't mean to throw stones, but I do believe before the buyout, 9L was a lot more shady than 9E. As for the oversight comment, I wasn't talking about 9E, I was referring to 9L. Despite being owned by 9E Corp, it was still the responsibility of 9L for oversight of their training and operations. I agree the new aviation improvement act won't change much for safety. However, there is a very good point brought up, which is what exactly will happen to the Colgan's lawsuits? Yes, the terms are spelled out in an airline's carriage, but if that airline is disappearing and the certificate gone, then what? Will Corp still have to pay out?

And, your response about "having the gall". A good friend of mine was on that airplane and I can SAY ANYTHING I WANT...So, again WHO CARES if CJC is parking ALL THE F'ing Qs...OK??? So, go back to your pathetic little bottom-feeding LCC and mind your flippin' business...

I take this as a post of frustration rather than a true attack. Look, I feel bad for everything happening. However, understand that when you write "who cares" and only "who cares", it gives the wrong message and serves as an injustice to those involved in the crash. You have a right to say what you want, but if it really was a friend on board that you lost, wouldn't you want to say positive things rather than 'who cares.'


Cheer up a lil man, something good will turn up soon. Just keep your logbooks updated and keep applying. Good luck.

 

[Snaab]

So are you one of those guys who didn't want Colgan to be bought by Pinnacle? You also want to be flying the Q400. If you didn't get bought, you wouldn't have to those Q400 to fly. I don't get it, some guys don't want to be bought but they have no problem bidding the new Q400 and are now mad because they are going away.

You're not worth another breath or word on this subject. I said earlier that there are "many perspectives" at Pinnacolaba- that's the truth- deal with it. I can't speak for you, and you can't speak for me. Feel wronged in this whole mess? Find Phil Trenary on the golf course or aboard his yacht, call Richard I. Bloch himself, or talk to your merger committee chairman, or local rep. Pilots from one of the other carriers (9L or XJ) are not your problem, but by all means keep thinking that.

Take Flyer's advice, and cheer up and keep the logbook updated.. Like we're all doing.

 

[Kaman]

I don't mean to throw stones, but I do believe before the buyout, 9L was a lot more shady than 9E. As for the oversight comment, I wasn't talking about 9E, I was referring to 9L. Despite being owned by 9E Corp, it was still the responsibility of 9L for oversight of their training and operations. I agree the new aviation improvement act won't change much for safety. However, there is a very good point brought up, which is what exactly will happen to the Colgan's lawsuits? Yes, the terms are spelled out in an airline's carriage, but if that airline is disappearing and the certificate gone, then what? Will Corp still have to pay out?





I take this as a post of frustration rather than a true attack. Look, I feel bad for everything happening. However, understand that when you write "who cares" and only "who cares", it gives the wrong message and serves as an injustice to those involved in the crash. You have a right to say what you want, but if it really was a friend on board that you lost, wouldn't you want to say positive things rather than 'who cares.'


Cheer up a lil man, something good will turn up soon. Just keep your logbooks
updated and keep applying. Good luck.

We're good man...Sorry. Just tired of getting hit over the head in the post-3407 and J.Z. was a good friend, top-notch pilot, employee and did yeoman's work in getting ALPA established here in CJC. I have 8 years of service and have flown all three airplanes and can say without any hesitation that we have a fine group of pilots poorly led by people placed into middle managers that for the most part threw people under the bus if they felt it would reflect upon them and their future at JB...

 

[silver02ex]

You're not worth another breath or word on this subject. I said earlier that there are "many perspectives" at Pinnacolaba- that's the truth- deal with it. I can't speak for you, and you can't speak for me. Feel wronged in this whole mess? Find Phil Trenary on the golf course or aboard his yacht, call Richard I. Bloch himself, or talk to your merger committee chairman, or local rep. Pilots from one of the other carriers (9L or XJ) are not your problem, but by all means keep thinking that.

Take Flyer's advice, and cheer up and keep the logbook updated.. Like we're all doing.

I am over it. I've been over it for a long time. I have many Colgan and Mesaba pilots hired me after who are in front of me in seniority, but I don't care any more. All I said was I can't stand the attitude of the Colgan guys who didn't want to get bought, but didn't complain when the Q400 and had the quick upgrade, or improved QOL, now they are mad because they have to change base and getting downgrade because the airplanes are going away. I never said anything about how I was mad that Pinnacle bought Colgan or the out come of the SLI. You are putting words in my mouth.

 

[Godfather]

"can say without any hesitation that we have a fine group of pilots poorly led by people placed into middle managers that for the most part threw people under the bus if they felt it would reflect upon them and their future at JB..."

Kaman...you couldn't have said it any better. So true. CJC was a good little place to work at when when it was only 1 code share (USAirways) from 2000 to early 2005 with the occasional AOL charter between IAD & TEB thrown in for good measure.
Gone are the good ol' days.

 

[tittyjet]

What will happen to the 3407 lawsuit? Any guesses?

The insurance carrier will hold the potential losses in reserve until a judgement is made....just like if you were at fault in a car wreck and die....the case would still proceed against your estate.