Colgan Q 400 pay

[vectorvictor]

Wind the clock back 7 years and the SWA guys were not very well paid (in terms of salary anyway). The reason SWA pilots are now well paid is because they didn't have their contract gutted in bankruptcy courts like most others. If you eliminate the latest industry downturn and the concessions the Legacy pilots took SWA pilots would still be below par in terms of hourly pay.

You are right, but they didn't get their contract gutted because their was no reason for their airline to go into bankruptcy. Its a different argument as to why they avoided bankruptcy (good business marketing plan, smart fuel hedging, low operating cost) but any way you cut it up until recently they were the only folks managing to make a buck and they did that through the downturn.

The Legacy business plans centered on high profit first class seats sold at premiums on short notice. These were the 5k walk up fares to go to LA from NY to go to visit that big customer. Companys won't pay it anymore. I can remember using travel services in my former life and never asking the fare. I was more concerned with the number of miles I was earning. Now folks shop for tickets on priceline even in the business sector. The economy passenger was a break-even weight and balance requirement. Now you have to make money on those same economy passengers to survive. Southwest pilots are paid what they are paid because their company manages to do it. I think the pilot pay rates and fair treatment of their employees is part of their success formula.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Unfortunately we are only worth what we are willing to work for.

Suupah said it best!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Prop2Jet]

love the pics grey!!!!!!

 

[DoinTime]

Southwest pilots are paid what they are paid because their company manages to do it.

SWA pilots are paid what they are paid because thats what their contract dictates. In looking at their declining profits over the past couple years they appear to feeling the strain. For the first 30 years of their existance a big part of the "Southwest model" was payrates for all of their employees that was subpar. Profit sharing made up the difference and a good working environment kept employees content with average.

Going forward SWA is going to have a difficult time being so profitable without the "labor adjustment" that everyone competing with SWA got to take advantange of. Having the industry's best compensated employees is teritory they have never been on. It will be interesting to see how they get out of it.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Colgan should get a bridge program started with Sheble aviation!!!!:smash:

 

[Grey Ghost]

is bubba still around?

 

[Fred Rogers]

It will be interesting to see how they get out of it.

Hopefully we can all "take it back" together and they won't have to worry about it.

GGhost- Your aviatars are inspiring!

 

[Grey Ghost]

Ahhhh! thank you!!!

 

[Mr Wu]

Sep'n that ain't Mikey...

 

[rhino3040]

Unfortunately we are only worth what we are willing to work for.

Just got done riding jumpseat with Air Wisky and the captain asked me what a 4th year captain on the Q would make. and I replied with the answer he, I shat you not, choked on his coffee and said you fly that thing for that much your nothing more than a GOJET driver....He's gotta point. I'm just embarrassed!

 

[Mr Wu]

Just got done riding jumpseat with Air Wisky and the captain asked me what a 4th year captain on the Q would make. and I replied with the answer he, I shat you not, choked on his coffee and said you fly that thing for that much your nothing more than a GOJET driver....He's gotta point. I'm just embarrassed!

Hope you told him to stick his jumpseat up his arse and asked him if he was flying a previous US route.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Just got done riding jumpseat with Air Wisky and the captain asked me what a 4th year captain on the Q would make. and I replied with the answer he, I shat you not, choked on his coffee and said you fly that thing for that much your nothing more than a GOJET driver....He's gotta point. I'm just embarrassed!

Let's put an end to the crap places bringing it down for everyone else. HEY all you Colgan guys who can't wait to go to Continental. YOU think that our Q400 pay has no effect on the pay rates over there? YOU ARE NUTS!

Vote yes, not only to make it better for Colgan, but for you at your next job.

 

[Kingzrt]

I THINK THIS PAY IS SHAMEFUL.
I HOPE THE COLGANS ARE READING THIS STUFF, (apparently they do) AND I HOPE THEY RECONSIDER.
However, I WILL be going to this Q400, if only for more money, cuz I don't make enough where I am now. Pathetic isn't it.

Look at it this way Gents and cracks, the Q may very well be under what it should be, but it is much above the slaab with no APU in IAH during the summer. Any pay increase with colgan we should consider ourselves lucky. Get another type fly in an aircraft were the a/c actually works and engines are not on derivative power. EWR Will suck but flying a new aircraft with the working essentials is all i'm looking for. Don't want to go to the Q because of the sh***y pay stay on the saab and freeze ur nuts then cook them in the summer

 

[BirdCatcher]

Look at it this way Gents and cracks, the Q may very well be under what it should be, but it is much above the slaab with no APU in IAH during the summer. Any pay increase with colgan we should consider ourselves lucky. Get another type fly in an aircraft were the a/c actually works and engines are not on derivative power. EWR Will suck but flying a new aircraft with the working essentials is all i'm looking for. Don't want to go to the Q because of the sh***y pay stay on the saab and freeze ur nuts then cook them in the summer

I'll hire you to fly Q400 for me in Hawaii, beautiful climate and women. I'll hire you as a street captain for $10 an hour, you in?

 

[TurboAWD]

Look at it this way Gents and cracks, the Q may very well be under what it should be, but it is much above the slaab with no APU in IAH during the summer. Any pay increase with colgan we should consider ourselves lucky. Get another type fly in an aircraft were the a/c actually works and engines are not on derivative power. EWR Will suck but flying a new aircraft with the working essentials is all i'm looking for. Don't want to go to the Q because of the sh***y pay stay on the saab and freeze ur nuts then cook them in the summer

Ummm, I apologize to WD for my comments on another thread. THIS is the dumbest post of the year on FI.

Kingzrt- please go to truckmasters, I hear Semi's have good heaters, good AC, and you can listen to your ipod all you want.

Turbo

 

[Kingzrt]

Ummm, I apologize to WD for my comments on another thread. THIS is the dumbest post of the year on FI.

Kingzrt- please go to truckmasters, I hear Semi's have good heaters, good AC, and you can listen to your ipod all you want.

Turbo

Talk about the dumbest post who is talking about driving trucks meat stick. You clearly clearly missed the point of my post.

 

[Kingzrt]

I'll hire you to fly Q400 for me in Hawaii, beautiful climate and women. I'll hire you as a street captain for $10 an hour, you in?

10 AN HOUR!! I would not flight instruct for 10 an hr. When your making 45 per hour and add 15 to that who ends up on top? I'm guessing most of you are independently wealthy.You can afford to sit back and complain about pay scales being in the toilet, but what your missing is the fact that you can increase your income by 1000 a month or better. I have a child at home and bills to pay, call me a jack a** but if i have the chance to make more money to support my family with and pay my bills i'm gonna do it, i've not been handed the money load from my parents

 

[TurboAWD]

I'm not saying don't bid the Q400, what I'm saying is stop saying stuff like this:

"Any pay increase with colgan we should consider ourselves lucky."

And this:

"flying a new aircraft with the working essentials is all i'm looking for"

Bid the Q400. Then vote YES to ALPA and negotiate a reasonable rate and work rules to fly it for.

Turbo

 

[Fred Rogers]

Bid the Q400. Then vote YES to ALPA and negotiate a reasonable rate and work rules to fly it for.

That's ok with me. I understand where he is coming from, I don't think many people outside of colgan do.

I have said it before, I don't think people get what it's like to work here. The next time you open up your crew meal, or give your monthly trip extension refusal, or crack open that paycheck which has 4 digits instead of 3, remember that you are not getting that because your management is so grateful for your dedication and service.

And, while you are at it, remember that Colgan pilots are not getting that.

Sounds like the flight attendants at CJC are thinking of organizing. They will appreciate your support as well. Ask your flight attendant if they have ever done the catering and cleaning of the airplane by themselves.

Don't Delay, Vote Today!
www.alpa.org/colgan
let's make it better!

 

[Kingzrt]

I'm not saying don't bid the Q400, what I'm saying is stop saying stuff like this:

"Any pay increase with colgan we should consider ourselves lucky."

And this:

"flying a new aircraft with the working essentials is all i'm looking for"

Bid the Q400. Then vote YES to ALPA and negotiate a reasonable rate and work rules to fly it for.

Turbo

How far from the truth am i with any of what i said? I am not debating the fact the Q pay is below standards that is a given, they suck throughout our industry.
The fact is, this is the world we live in. United is starting guys/girls at 31 per hr to fly 737 757 airbus. Cal is the same with no insurance for the first 6 months.
Little things like Working essentials to guys that have worked with a company with no union for years are things we look forward to.

Peace brother

 

[rhino3040]

ya they're above average at taking it up the arss

Don't forget about the lack of lube that goes along with the job on a daily basis

 

[Grey Ghost]

You could always become a "Special Agent" for the FBI... and work Bank robbery.....

 

[suupah]

Look at it this way Gents and cracks, the Q may very well be under what it should be, but it is much above the slaab with no APU in IAH during the summer. Any pay increase with colgan we should consider ourselves lucky. Get another type fly in an aircraft were the a/c actually works and engines are not on derivative power. EWR Will suck but flying a new aircraft with the working essentials is all i'm looking for. Don't want to go to the Q because of the sh***y pay stay on the saab and freeze ur nuts then cook them in the summer

This post Illustrates the entire reason we need to improve things. By accepting lower pay and work rules we are erroding the pay and workrules at 1)other airlines including the majors 2) At Colgan when we get new airframes on property. It does this because airline management teams can get us to work for them for less because "it is better than what i get now".

The only reason Major's can get us to work for the crappy wages they offer in the beginning is because it is still "better than i get now".

What we do at Colgan Echoes throughout the industry.

 

[70-SS]

You could always become a "Special Agent" for the FBI... and work Bank robbery.....

And you could learn to surf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[70-SS]

How far from the truth am i United is starting guys/girls at 31 per hr to fly 737 757 airbus. Cal is the same with no insurance for the first 6 months.

Sure the first year pay anywhere else sucks. But look after that. You always take a hit the first year in any industry.

Colgan Q400 pay is an insult. Colgan's reasoning for the pay is an insult.



http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/regional/horizon_air.html

 

[Grey Ghost]

Lets do what is right! Don't buy into Mikey's Bonzai Bull********************!!!!

Theres cliffs on both sides, I'm not gonna paddle to New Zealand!!!!

 

[BirdCatcher]

How far from the truth am i with any of what i said? I am not debating the fact the Q pay is below standards that is a given, they suck throughout our industry.
The fact is, this is the world we live in. United is starting guys/girls at 31 per hr to fly 737 757 airbus. Cal is the same with no insurance for the first 6 months.
Little things like Working essentials to guys that have worked with a company with no union for years are things we look forward to.

Peace brother

And the world will stay this way until we step up to make a change. Change doesn't just happen.

 

[CutEmUp]

You always take a hit the first year in any industry.

I disagree. Most industries are NOT seniority based. Let's say an engineer, actuary, or some other proffesional wants to make more money. What do they do? They go to work for another company and make more money in the transition. They don't sit around having to wait thier time to get thier "upgrade."

 

[Fred Rogers]

What we do at Colgan Echoes throughout the industry.

Right on Brother Man!

 

[Grey Ghost]

Just a few Inspirational quotes to throw out there!!!

Unhappy Quote - Edward de Bono


“Unhappiness is best defined as the difference between our talents and our expectations.”