Colgan pilot group

[suupah]

Opinions?

 

[suupah]

Though noble sounding Can it actually work? Lets say that it is totally the initiative of the pilots that this thing is being created. Will the Colgans be receptive? How many times have pilots brought issues up to the CP just to have them ignored by Management? Why would that change now?

We could start a list of grievances pilots have brought up against our work rules that the CP presented to Management just to have it slapped down and that list would be longer than one of our tree killing global warming producing dispatch releases. What makes you think things have magically changed now?

I have had a positive experience at Colgan in terms of the great people i work with, the great flying that we do and the career advancement opportunities that are available to me here. But as far as negotiating work rules, compensation and QOL issues it has been made very clear that Management carries a very big stick and you don't want to poke your head out of your gofer hole.

 

[lear24]

it has been made very clear that Management carries a very big stick and you don't want to poke your head out of your gofer hole.

Sounds like management has you guys exactly where they want you. Time to organize. Everyone at Colgan should read the book "confessions of a union buster" and watch for parallels between the book and your own experience. Compare and contrast, talk amongst yourselves. Good luck!

 

[Chamo]

This move is simply a move of desperation...IF ALPA hadnt been knocking at colgans door, this group wouldnt even exist...I love the experience ive gotten flying in this company and the crews ive met...but management is totally in a different dimension than their pilot group and the still cant figure out the "why" we would unionize...the Pilot Committe they propose is symbolic and at any moment can be dissolved and/or ignored...Plus we know that both of the front runners have theire own agenda with the company (Next -in-line chief pilot and one who upgraded about 20 spots out of seniority)...dont drink this KOOL-AID

 

[Gfunk27]

the timing of this committee is just too suspicious, could have used this committee to negotiate the q-400 payscale.

 

[YMICFI]

Alpa

What is (not really) amazing to me is this committee wasn't formed until there was talk of bringing ALPA on the property. Why is the company so concerned about the pilot group now? Because we are looking for representation. They know that they will be required to negotiate a legally binding contract with a grievance procedure. It takes away the direct control over the pilot group and let's them treat us however they wish. They don't want to lose that.

To say that this pilot committee would be able to do anything meaningful for us is simply false. Once they have ALPA defeated, believe me, this committee would go away. It is just a union-busting tactic on management's part. It would hold no legal authority and would be just another arm of management meant to give the pilot group a "warm fuzzy" that we actually matter to management.

We need a professional representative group behind us with decades of leadership...ALPA. They can provide so many services for all of us.

Educate yourselves and you will see the truth...we need ALPA at Colgan as soon as possible. No matter where you are on this issue, send in your cards. That gives you the right to vote in the upcoming election. Whether you want to vote yes or no or even for another group. First, educate yourself and get the facts on what ALPA can do for us. Ask questions!

 

[vtchaz]

You all are missing something

What is (not really) amazing to me is this committee wasn't formed until there was talk of bringing ALPA on the property.

This committee isn't a company organized thing. It is started by PILOTS who are against a Union and are hoping to provide people with an alternative. Once they get the support they need behind them they will approach management.

Does this change how you feel about it now that you know it wasn't formed by the company but by your fellow pilots?

Think about it.

 

[Chamo]

This committee isn't a company organized thing. It is started by PILOTS who are against a Union and are hoping to provide people with an alternative. Once they get the support they need behind them they will approach management.

Does this change how you feel about it now that you know it wasn't formed by the company but by your fellow pilots?

Think about it.

THEN WHY HAS MANAGEMENT BEEN HOUNDING EVERY FORMER CHICAGO EXPRESS PILOT FOR A GLIMPSE AT THEIR COMITTEE HANDBOOK? THIS IS ALL IN MANAGEMENTS BEST INTEREST

 

[DrewBlows]

The first step in this process would be to survey the pilot group in a quest to determine what changes they wish to see made. As a means of accomplishing that end, we request that each pilot submit a list of three main concerns that they would like to see addressed. We will then compose a master list consisting of the main requests, and distribute them to said pilot group for a majority approval. Once that is accomplished, we can commence negotiations with management to effectuate what we believe will be immediate changes, without the expense and hassle of a union. This committee is extremely dedicated, driven, and excited to effect positive, real change within the next few weeks. We ask that Pilots take our role seriously, and, in so doing, that they submit only realistic and obtainable requests. After the initial phase of negotiations the members of the board, upon request, will step down and new members will be selected by standard vote from the pilot group.

In other words, don't ask for anything that will cost the company more.

If the company was really interested in having happy employees why hasn't it already taken care of the pilot's issues. I'm sure you guys have issues that wouldn't cost the company a dime (every airline does), but it takes a union busting committee to address them?

 

[Visceral]

This committee isn't a company organized thing. It is started by PILOTS who are against a Union and are hoping to provide people with an alternative. Once they get the support they need behind them they will approach management.

Does this change how you feel about it now that you know it wasn't formed by the company but by your fellow pilots?

Think about it.

Absolutely not. You can't polish a turd and make it look like a diamond.