Colgan parking airplanes and voluntary furloughs

[Afraid to Fly]

Well, we have obviously heard the news about Colgan parking aeroplanes by the end of the year.

They say 3-4 Saabs along with the 4 Beeches that are are going bye-bye. Do you guys think that is going to stand firm or do you think it will be more?

Also any chance we are going to park Qs with Commutair being assigned flying out of EWR?

Finally, think anyone here is actually going to take a voluntary furlough?

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Well, we have obviously heard the news about Colgan parking aeroplanes by the end of the year.

They say 3-4 Saabs along with the 4 Beeches that are are going bye-bye. Do you guys think that is going to stand firm or do you think it will be more?

Also any chance we are going to park Qs with Commutair being assigned flying out of EWR?

Finally, think anyone here is actually going to take a voluntary furlough?

I'm thinking about it...

Shy

 

[Superpilot92]

That sucks i have a friend that just started at Colgan. How many furloughs?

 

[johnsonrod]

Well, we have obviously heard the news about Colgan parking aeroplanes by the end of the year.

They say 3-4 Saabs along with the 4 Beeches that are are going bye-bye. Do you guys think that is going to stand firm or do you think it will be more?

Also any chance we are going to park Qs with Commutair being assigned flying out of EWR?

Finally, think anyone here is actually going to take a voluntary furlough?

Who uses the word "aeroplanes" nowadays?????? Do you live in the US?

 

[CA1900]

Well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQ5-3luPHs



:laugh:

 

[taildragerpilot]

I'll probably take the voluntary furlough. But the usual protections (seniority, tenure, etc.) must be in place, and in writing. Since there is no union yet (go teamsters!!) everyone should get something in writing that is legally enforceable. Something that would stand up better than those weak training contracts that Buddy whipped up on legalzoom.com.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'll probably take the voluntary furlough. But the usual protections (seniority, tenure, etc.) must be in place, and in writing. Since there is no union yet (go teamsters!!) everyone should get something in writing that is legally enforceable. Something that would stand up better than those weak training contracts that Buddy whipped up on legalzoom.com.

Are you serious.....

Why would Colgan spend any time giving non union employees recall rights...

If you want recall rights then you should have worked ( as I and many non colgan pilots did) to vote in ALPA last year... that train has left the station...

Your post is equivalent to seeing a hurricane approaching and deciding now is the time for a plan. The time for a plan was last year...

Good luck!

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Colgan plans on letting approximately 60 pilots hit the street.

 

[DoinTime]

The big question is that if seniority becomes difficult to honor will they terminate out of seniority order? I would find it hard to believe that Buddy would furlough a Q-400 pilot only to replace him with a displaced Saab pilot that required training. Thats not his style at all.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Your post is equivalent to seeing a hurricane approaching and deciding now is the time for a plan. The time for a plan was last year...

Couldn't have said it better myself...amen..

 

[CopilotDoug]

Are you serious.....

Why would Colgan spend any time giving non union employees recall rights...

If you want recall rights then you should have worked (as I and many non colgan pilots did) to vote in ALPA last year... that train has left the station...

Your post is equivalent to seeing a hurricane approaching and deciding now is the time for a plan. The time for a plan was last year...

Good luck!

That says something when the Colgan pilots won't vote in ALPA. Speaks volumes about ALPA.

 

[zasca]

says what???? They want free pizza every year, and not a union????

 

[CopilotDoug]

says what????

Plenty, friend

Plenty

 

[TurboAWD]

That says something when the Colgan pilots won't vote in ALPA. Speaks volumes about ALPA.

What it says to me is:

Many Colgan pilots felt that if they didn't vote in ALPA mgmt would probably reward them by growing the airline (with money made at Pinnacle), thereby giving them a perceived jump in their careers over their unionized peers.

Short-sighted selfishness, in other words.

Turbo

 

[flyf15]

What it says to me is:

Many Colgan pilots felt that if they didn't vote in ALPA mgmt would probably reward them by growing the airline (with money made at Pinnacle), thereby giving them a perceived jump in their careers over their unionized peers.

Short-sighted selfishness, in other words.

Turbo

Exactly. I had a Colgan FO in my jumpseat a few weeks ago. I mentioned to him that it was too bad they didn't get ALPA but hoped they would get it next time around if they vote again and wished him the best of luck.

He gave me a confused stare and said "what? no! I hope not!" and proceeded to tell me that they would've gotten ALPA all of those Q400s would've gone to Pinnacle and he'd be stuck flying a Saab... which he seemed to think was below him. He then further went on to say that he will vote no again just in case Colgan's lack of union is able to get them some of Pinnacle's CRJs.

Nevermind the fact that all the CRJs were Pinnacle's well before Colgan ever came around and the Q400s wouldn't exist if it werent for the hard work of Pinnacle pilots either. I was in shock hearing what was coming out of his mouth... good luck Pinnacle guys, you have at least one person over at Colgan watering at the mouth hoping to steal your jobs.

 

[30West]

just in case Colgan's lack of union is able to get them some of Pinnacle's CRJs.

Nevermind the fact that all the CRJs were Pinnacle's well before Colgan ever came around and the Q400s wouldn't exist if it werent for the hard work of Pinnacle pilots either. I was in shock hearing what was coming out of his mouth... good luck Pinnacle guys, you have at least one person over at Colgan watering at the mouth hoping to steal your jobs.

And for some reason you think this guy speaks for an entire pilot group? There are folks just like him at every airline. Lighten up, Francis.

 

[30West]

Many Colgan pilots

Turbo

How many, exactly? Names?

 

[TurboAWD]

The ones that didn't bother to vote or voted no.

And please don't bother telling me how great Colgan was and that ALPA is evil.

Sorry about the furloughs (really), a single list might have helped you there.

Turbo

 

[Mr Wu]

a single list might have helped you there.

Turbo

But, but, but, ALPA won the arbitrator's award. There's supposed to be a single list. :bawling:

 

[suupah]

Exactly. I had a Colgan FO in my jumpseat a few weeks ago. I mentioned to him that it was too bad they didn't get ALPA but hoped they would get it next time around if they vote again and wished him the best of luck.

He gave me a confused stare and said "what? no! I hope not!" and proceeded to tell me that they would've gotten ALPA all of those Q400s would've gone to Pinnacle and he'd be stuck flying a Saab... which he seemed to think was below him. He then further went on to say that he will vote no again just in case Colgan's lack of union is able to get them some of Pinnacle's CRJs.

Nevermind the fact that all the CRJs were Pinnacle's well before Colgan ever came around and the Q400s wouldn't exist if it werent for the hard work of Pinnacle pilots either. I was in shock hearing what was coming out of his mouth... good luck Pinnacle guys, you have at least one person over at Colgan watering at the mouth hoping to steal your jobs.

I have a hard time believing this... believe me he is waaaay in the minority. The colgan pilot culture is "leave us the f alone in our lil corner doing our thing."

he must be extremely green behind the ears and really stupid