Colgan ALPA... Get the cards in NOW!!

[Grey Ghost]

Grey, I hate to break it to you, but if they're in class at COLGAN, they're probibally not the brightest. Of all the places they had to go to, they picked the Corky of all airlines?

Inversely, I find it really adorable that ALPA wouldn't use Colgan as a floor mat until they were bought by Peanuckle. Cute. ALPA is a joke, but Colgan just might be a bigger joke... Jury is still out.

Shy

I know your a pinnacle guy so i won't use any big words. You really think the pilots at colgan are not bright? Sorry they don't fly the barbie jet, or they don't have shinny jet "sydrome", oh sorry big word.

 

[PCL_128]

Inversely, I find it really adorable that ALPA wouldn't use Colgan as a floor mat until they were bought by Peanuckle.

ALPA would have been more than happy to organize Colgan at any point in time, regardless of Pinnacle. ALPA never seeks out airlines to organize. We always wait for the pilots at those airlines to come to us. When a pilot group comes to us, that means that the chances of success are much greater. Otherwise, we could waste millions of dollars on trying to organize pilot groups that really don't have anyone willing to step up to the plate and be part of a strong organizing committee. There have been pilots at Colgan for years that have wanted to bring ALPA on the property, but they didn't feel that they would be successful at the time. With the acquisition by Pinnacle, there was a catalyst to demonstrate to the pilot group just why representation is so important, so those pilots called ALPA to get the drive started.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Colgan pilots,

Ask ALPA how it is fighting whipsaw between carriers and ask them about the conflict of interest between the mainline pilots and the regional pilots within a brand - watch them squirm.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Colgan pilots,

Ask ALPA how it is fighting whipsaw between carriers and ask them about the conflict of interest between the mainline pilots and the regional pilots within a brand - watch them squirm.....

Translation: My career expectations aren't being met so I decided to sue ALPA. Sure there are plenty of real reasons but I can't sue terrorist, the free market economy and my company, so I'll just sue ALPA. It isn't going well for me and my lawsuit clique, the RJDC, so I am very bitter about ALPA. Any chance I get to be biased I take. I can't be objective about ALPA. I just hate all things ALPA. ALPA is the sole source of all my misery.


Joe.... Joe...... Joe...

You are acting like the only only one who has had hardships in past 6 years.... We all have.... Why should the rest of us ignore our own pain to give you sympathy? get over yourself... find a hobby... take a nap.... get a massage...

 

[PCL_128]

Johnny (Joe) is too lazy to even do that. He hasn't sued anyone. He just comes on this board (and the national boards) and screams his support for someone else's lawsuit.

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

I know your a pinnacle guy so i won't use any big words. You really think the pilots at colgan are not bright? Sorry they don't fly the barbie jet, or they don't have shinny jet "sydrome", oh sorry big word.

I beg to differ. I know Pinnacle pilots. Pinnacle pilots are friends of mine... and I, sir, am no Pinnacle pilot.

It is not that I think that Colgan pilots are not bright. I know for a fact that Colgan has both ends of the spectrum. What I WAS implying is that new hires at Colgan are not bright. Surely they have someone to warn them about the "wrong place to go". (I don't know who I was quoting just now, but I felt the urge to use the quotation marks... is that wrong?) There are good places to go, and there are bad places to go. Go to the good place, to the happy place... that place is not run by monkeys.

Some day, Little-Boy-Grey, I'll explain.

Shy

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Colgan pilots,

Ask ALPA how it is fighting whipsaw between carriers and ask them about the conflict of interest between the mainline pilots and the regional pilots within a brand - watch them squirm.....

How about I ask about scope. How about the 60 rule? How about the ALPA strike shortly after 9/11. Or how many ALPA employees were laid off after 9/11. ALPA simply cares about one thing... Money. The more 1.95% they get going their way, the better. I still have yet to see a concerted, focused, direct, and logical reason for a Colgan pilot to sign the card. Do us that favor. Cut-and-dry... lay it out. Between now and then, ALPA is a joke, and Colgan is the punch line (for today).

Shy

 

[JoeMerchant]

Translation: My career expectations aren't being met so I decided to sue ALPA. Sure there are plenty of real reasons but I can't sue terrorist, the free market economy and my company, so I'll just sue ALPA. It isn't going well for me and my lawsuit clique, the RJDC, so I am very bitter about ALPA. Any chance I get to be biased I take. I can't be objective about ALPA. I just hate all things ALPA. ALPA is the sole source of all my misery.


Joe.... Joe...... Joe...

You are acting like the only only one who has had hardships in past 6 years.... We all have.... Why should the rest of us ignore our own pain to give you sympathy? get over yourself... find a hobby... take a nap.... get a massage...

Rez,

Look who's talking. Your either on the Herndon payroll, or it is you who needs a hobby. You can't wait to come out and wave the ALPA flag any chance you get. The fact that you don't understand the root cause of the RJDC lawsuit proves that ALPA still doesn't get it. There is a conflict of interest within ALPA, and until ALPA realizes it and fixes it, nothing will change.

My career expectations have worked out better than many within ALPA as we didn't fall for the flowthrough "3 Card Monty" BS that ALPA has been peddling.

Sounds like the NWA MEC has voted against pushing for a single list with NWA and MSA. I also see that management is transfering 15 aircraft from PCL to MSA. Boy that Brand Scope is really impressive over there.... I think I'll pass.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Johnny (Joe) is too lazy to even do that. He hasn't sued anyone. He just comes on this board (and the national boards) and screams his support for someone else's lawsuit.

So obviously I'm not looking to get rich off the lawsuit.... looks like you guys need some new material......

How's that Brand Scope working out for you RedTail folks......

 

[PCL_128]

So obviously I'm not looking to get rich off the lawsuit.... looks like you guys need some new material......

Well, since the judge threw out every single monetary claim of the two lawsuits anyway, it looks like none of you idiots are going to get rich off the backs of the ALPA membership! Pretty soon the final ridiculous claim will be dismissed on summary judgment and we'll be able to put this petty lawsuit behind us. Hey, look on the bright side: with the RJDC and their silly little lawsuit defeated, you'll have much more time to spend with your older girlfriend!

How's that Brand Scope working out for you RedTail folks......

I'm doin' just fine, thanks.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Sorry I was just at another thread where ALPA members were complaining about the excessive managment salaries after the employees made drastic pay cuts in pay and healthcare...

Carry on...

Rez,

Maybe ALPA would have more credibility if DW didn't make $420,000 per year and walked away from ALPA with an ALPA Pension in excess of $100,000 per year. Pot meet kettle......

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm doin' just fine, thanks.

Ahhh... more cheap shots from the ALPA cheerleading section. Anyway back to the much touted ALPA "brand scope". You say it is working out just fine? Looks kinda like the whipsaw is out of control over there.... How do you figure it is working "just fine"..... If that is the best ALPA has to offer for "brand scope", you will have a hard time getting the Colgan and Skywest boys on board.....

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe ALPA would have more credibility if DW didn't make $420,000 per year

As usual, you've clearly displayed your utter ignorance. Captain Woerth never received anything close to $420,000 per year, and Captain Prater isn't either. Maybe you should try learning about ALPA instead of constantly attacking it from a position of extreme ignorance.

 

[PCL_128]

Anyway back to the much touted ALPA "brand scope". You say it is working out just fine? Looks kinda like the whipsaw is out of control over there.... How do you figure it is working "just fine"..... If that is the best ALPA has to offer for "brand scope", you will have a hard time getting the Colgan and Skywest boys on board.....

I just had a meeting with most of the NWA reps last week, and the topic of a PID was discussed. And guess what, Johnny? They were the ones who brought it up! There is significant support for such an idea on the new MEC, and we'll see what happens over the next few years. With McClain gone, I think we'll have much better luck with family scope, provided the Red Tail regional MECs are willing to compromise and share the burden. If we don't make the same mistake that the DCI carriers did (refusal to compromise and share the burden), then I think we'll be able to make some real progress on this. These things take time, John.

 

[JoeMerchant]

As usual, you've clearly displayed your utter ignorance. Captain Woerth never received anything close to $420,000 per year, and Captain Prater isn't either. Maybe you should try learning about ALPA instead of constantly attacking it from a position of extreme ignorance.

Be careful about throwing the ignorance label around. It is you who doesn't seem to know the inner workings of your union that you are a spokesperson for. Here is a link to the actual ALPA officer's compensation:

http://www.pilotpensiondefense.org/Documents/ALPA Officer Compensation.htm

DW's base compensation was $372,728.00 per year. Add in expenses and it goes up to $502,728.00 per year plus a new Buick Park Avenue. His ALPA pension plan alone is $149,091.20 per year. Tell me PCL128, how many ALPA members make $149,091.20 per year in salary, much less any pension?

Go ahead and look for yourself.... I will await your defense of this salary and pension for the great job he did.....