Coex Vs. CHQ

[i'mbatman]

I am already at one of the above mentioned airlines however I'm trying to help a friend who has an offer from both decide what is best for him......what would YOU do? No flames please....thoughts from both sides.....
Thanks!
IB

 

[Neil2112]

I say he should take whichever one offers a job first. I know that sounds generic but each company has good points and both have their bad points. There really isnt any regional that is truly that much betterthan another. I work for one of the companies you mentioned and I think the job and company are great. I also think the other company has some great points and not some good points. Just don't get caught up in the " our d!cks bigger than yours is sh!t.

 

[Jetlink]

Either one...they will be one soon anyway

 

[C210drvr]

Bull, they are not about to be one. You guys are so full of it and bought in totally to your company's scare tacticts. Your just upset because youe about to sign a contract equal to ours in pay. I looked at the difference in my pay rate and theres only a difference in 3rd year capt. (me) of about $1.50. And then I realized, Oh wait THEY don't have any 3rd year capts. In that case I'm making lots more.


C210

 

[Jetlink]

Bull, they are not about to be one. You guys are so full of it and bought in totally to your company's scare tacticts. Your just upset because youe about to sign a contract equal to ours in pay. I looked at the difference in my pay rate and theres only a difference in 3rd year capt. (me) of about $1.50. And then I realized, Oh wait THEY don't have any 3rd year capts. In that case I'm making lots more.


C210

Until the merger, then you will be making less

It was a JOKE you fukking bitter DUMBASS

You people need to lighten up...or drink...or something

Speaking of jokes:

Bill, Hillary and Kerry are flying on Kerry's wife's private jet. Bill looks





at Hillary, chuckles and says, "You know, I could throw a $100.00 bill





out the window right now and make somebody very happy." Hillary shrugs





her shoulders and says, "Well, I could throw ten $10.00 bills out the





window and make 10 people very happy." Kerry says, "Of course then, I could





throw one-hundred $1.00 bills out the window and make a hundred people very





happy."











The pilot rolls her eyes, looks at all of them and says to her





co-pilot, "Such Big shots back there..... I could throw all of them out the





window and make millions happy.

 

[i'mbatman]

bump.

 

[On Your Six]

I'd say COEX has a better route structure but CHQ has better aircraft (E170s coming up) and is more diversified with feed for UAL, Delta and USAirways vs. just Continental. In this day and age, it's a crap shoot. Either one would be good - although take CHQ if you can somehow secure an FO seat on the E170 - a great airplane!!!!!!!

 

[rattler]

Yeah, but aren't the Airlines you mentioned all either in, or in danger of Chapter 11? What if USAir fails? I don't think CAL will fail in the near future. Anyway I don't have a crystal ball, good luck, because you're right it's a crap shoot.

 

[PalmettoPilot]

Isn't it nice to have options to begin with? Tell your buddy he's in a pretty good position. Obviously he'll factor in QOL for himself and will be considering the domiciles that each company offers. CHQ has a lot of them and which one he chooses will dictate which uniform he wears. Nothing against CHQ but given the choice I would go to COEX, being a wholly owned seems more stable to me (of course that depends on who owns you) and the flow through would be nice if Cont. ever goes into hiring mode again.

 

[Habib]

CHQ pilots all have 1 uniform, and COEX is NOT a WO.

Hard choice, he would need 2500 pilots to be hired behind him to upgrade at COEX, and only 1200 at CHQ.

 

[PalmettoPilot]

Coex/chq

CHQ pilots all have 1 uniform, and COEX is NOT a WO.

Hard choice, he would need 2500 pilots to be hired behind him to upgrade at COEX, and only 1200 at CHQ.

Thanks for the correction Habib. The fact remains that at CHQ you could be flying for any one of 4 carriers, some see that as good some don't. Upgrade time might be important but at least for me, I'd be looking for someplace that I could stay for an extended period.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

ExpressJet seems like a great company...aside from their contract, which is being worked on by their union. The growth looks strong for the coming year, and COA seems to be holding their own (unlike most of the companies CHQ is flying for).

 

[Paul R. Smith]

I would go to COEX, being a wholly owned seems more stable to me (of course that depends on who owns you) and the flow through would be nice if Cont. ever goes into hiring mode again.

Coex is not a wholly owned.
The flow through is all but dead. Those with letters are going to go, but the future of the flow through is dead unless CAL wants one with us on their new contract. But yes...Beaucoup growth for the next year is anticipated with CAL recalls, and the 118 plus all the guys with letters...But as we all know well things do change and sometimes for the worse....cough 9/11.



Anybody know exactly or approximately how many XJT guys have letters after the 118? You know the preferential guys...

 

[boxjockey]

I heard there are approximately 180 pilots with the "yes" letter. Also, you wouldn't have to have 2500 pilots hired after you to upgrade. There will be signifacant attrition over the next 1.5 years. We have an additional 30 aircraft deliveries. And I don't think there's any doubt in any of our minds that something else is not far over the horizon..

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[FrontierFan]

I just came from CHQ and I tell you what. We used to run into a whole lot of disgruntled CoEx guys. After hearing their stories I could understand. One of my last trips had me in HOU and in the same hotel as all the CoEx new guys. The funny thing was that they all looked the same. Early twenties, perfectly parted hair and all kinds of stories about “how coming from instructing to this job was going to be great.”

At least at Chautauqua you will have a varied amount of backgrounds and everyone is in good spirits with the growth, upgrades, multi code shares, multi bases, and no contract crap for at least a couple of more years.

Why would anyone want to go work for a company that has such a reputation of trying to hire robots only instead of going to a company where you can be yourself and upgrade a heck of a lot sooner?

If upgrade isn’t important than why do you want to go work for the regionals in the first place?....to make a living?

If you are a low time guy/gal and are looking for anything…….than sure. But if you are looking for time, than go check out a company like Ameriflight. They are hiring and you can move into turbine equipment quick. After that you have a lot more options.

Anyway, Chautauqua is a good place filled with good pilots that makes up a company that honestly treated me very well while I was there.

No offence to Coex pilots. I shared a lot of beer with many crews up in Burlington,VT but my advice would have to be CHQ without looking back.

 

[FlyChicaga]

That is just about the dumbest post I've ever seen.

 

[Airpiraterob]

im at one of them....i would have to say either one really. ive met all kinds of people from each place and really...it comes down to....i guess...whatever store-location youd rather buy the same value-meal from.

 

[FrontierFan]

Ok....

Just trying to answer a question and wonder why you are getting ready to settle for another sh1t a$$ contract that I had to hear about for the last two years. Ever since all the CHQ "sold out" chatter started I could not wait to see what Coex was going to get for all of their talk and now hear it is...a spitting image of CHQ's pay scale. And we were trying to shut down an alter ego airline and be one of the first to make forward steps since the towers fell.

But I am sure; at least I hope that with all 1,100 hrs you have not been there long enough to know what the last year was like. I am sure that I must have seen you in Houston with your brand new flight kit and brand new ALPA sticker.

Again no offence to Coex guys. It is too bad that your awesome hiring practices let some high time ex-windycity dildos slip though the cracks.

FlyChicaga: Just to make sure I have this right you have "Aircraft Experience" on the C152, C172, and the PA28? Thats awesome!

Night.

 

[jumppilot]

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[jumppilot]

Don't care anymore.

 

[Prop Trash]

The funny thing was that they all looked the same. Early twenties, perfectly parted hair and all kinds of stories about “how coming from instructing to this job was going to be great.”

I've noticed this also and I work there. When I was at the training center a few months ago I saw a new-hire class and could have sworn they were all clones from the same embryo. Maybe since a female runs the HR department she only hires "her type." That's just my theory.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

This isn't flame bait, but I'm sure many of you here will take it as such..

I heard from CHQ mgmt. that our fifth code (yes, we now have five as announced by the company) is Continental. So now that we are going to be competing against you, what is the difference between Coex and CHQ?

Just trying to stay within the topic of the thread..I love working for a contract carrier. I can smell the seniority building!

Jumppilot,

Care to tell me who your source was in management that was telling you about a supposed code-share with CAL? I'm somewhat curious.

Frankly, your comment about "smelloing seniority building" is pretty sad. We are all professional pilots. Seniority is a funny thing. Timing is a funny thing. It is amazing what a few months of seniority will do for one's career and furthermore, amazing what a few odd circumstances can do to destroy one's career expectations.

Neal Schwartz
Chairman
XJT Negotiating Committee

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Ok....

Just trying to answer a question and wonder why you are getting ready to settle for another sh1t a$$ contract that I had to hear about for the last two years. Ever since all the CHQ "sold out" chatter started I could not wait to see what Coex was going to get for all of their talk and now hear it is...a spitting image of CHQ's pay scale.

CHQ certainly had their own challenges during their contact negotiations process. I, more than anyone, can understand that. What I can't understand are comments such as yours above when you clearly have absolutely zero understanding not only of the economics behind our deal but also of not only the work rules in our current agreement but also in our new ones. You are as bad as the morons from my company who ridiculed you for sigining your TA. Our scale is not as high as we'd have liked, but it is higher than yours, and the other areas of the TA make our working conditions and economics far superior to yours. Does that make us better? No. It all boils down to leverage - a concept I have struggled to try to present to some of our own pilots. Clearly you guys were fighting a battle that we didn't have to fight. Keep your head high, be a professional, and keep your "I upgraded in year 2 so who's the better company now" banter to yourself because some of us know what it is like to be a 2nd year captain and then a 5th year FO.

-Neal

 

[jumppilot]

Neal,

I deleted my post after realizing you are right.

I'm tired of all these XJet (actually, the same five) people spouting about how CHQ's contract brings down the industry and how XJet is here to save the day.

As for revealing my source, I'd rather not until the ink is signed, as you are right, this industry has a funny way of turning around...We'll see if I'm right come 2005.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Neal,

I deleted my post after realizing you are right.

I'm tired of all these XJet (actually, the same five) people spouting about how CHQ's contract brings down the industry and how XJet is here to save the day.

As for revealing my source, I'd rather not until the ink is signed, as you are right, this industry has a funny way of turning around...We'll see if I'm right come 2005.

Thanks Jump. I'm still trying to figure out what "smelloing" is above. Not sure how those typos made it through my post!

Take care and fly safe.

-Neal

 

[FlyChicaga]

FrontierFan: is about all I can say to that second, well thought out, post.

 

[Corbon]

Posted by FrontierFan:

I just came from CHQ and I tell you what. We used to run into a whole lot of disgruntled CoEx guys. After hearing their stories I could understand. One of my last trips had me in HOU and in the same hotel as all the CoEx new guys. The funny thing was that they all looked the same. Early twenties, perfectly parted hair and all kinds of stories about “how coming from instructing to this job was going to be great.”

Remember, HOU is NOT the same as IAH. This is especially important when programming an FMS. Equally important, not encouraging the flaming new COEX gate agents by the IAH Holiday Inn pool to bring over their fat, drunk, horny female co-workers.