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Continental Airlines sees 'significant' 2005 loss
Tue Mar 15, 2005 04:12 PM ET
NEW YORK, March 15 (Reuters) - Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) expects to post "a significant loss" in 2005 if the climate of high fuel prices and tough industry competition does not ease, the carrier said in a regulatory filing on Tuesday.

Continental also warned that several factors outside of its control, including even higher fuel prices, could result in the Houston-based airline's being unable to generate sufficient cash from operations or complete financing deals needed to keep the amount of cash on hand it needs through year-end.



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Continental Sees Cuts if No Union Deal
Tuesday March 15, 4:14 pm ET Continental Sees Massive Cuts if Union Agreements Not Ratified


HOUSTON (AP) -- Continental Airlines Inc. on Tuesday told employees it disclosed in its annual report with the Securities and Exchange Commission that the troubled carrier will be forced to make significant cutbacks and job reductions if tentative union agreements are not ratified later this month.

The air carrier -- whose unions will vote March 30 on contracts -- said it might be forced to increase the size of necessary pay and benefit reductions to $800 million from $500 million. Continental said it might also have to sublease or sell 24 Boeing aircraft, which could cause job reductions affecting pilots, flight attendants, mechanics and other positions. In addition, the carrier may have to cancel its lease and purchase orders with Boeing.

Continental told employees that it may post up to an additional $335 million in cash deposits, further reducing cash available for operations and pension contributions, if it fails to maintain liquidity covenants in its credit card processing agreements.

Shares of Continental fell 77 cents, or 6.5 percent, to $11.08 at the close of trading on the New York Stock Exchange, and were recently down another 5 cents in the extended session.





Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Well this isn't really a surprise to anyone is it??

Show me a carrier that will continue to be profitable long term at the current price of a barrel of oil.

Nothing in this stupid business will change until the airlines start passing on the price of fuel to the customer.

Of course the customers won't like that one bit when they have to pay a realistic fare for a flight.

The airlines have to stop giving away airplane rides and stop asking their employees to bear the burden.

Anyone have the number to Truckmasters, I'll probably need that here in another year or so.
 
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once again...the only industry that takes from its employees so the guy next door can have a shiney new car. I wish I could be as much of a failure at my job like management and still get paid what they do. Raise the F'in ticket prices! I also took business 101.
 
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Wouldn't it be funny if those CAL pilots took a stand and voted that concessionary contract down! It just might happen! Too bad it didn't happen anywhere else!

And by the way, I was 16 during the strike. The mighty Mike Campbell machine misses the Lorenzo schlong I guess! Kinda bittersweet though, with the majority of the 83's only being in their early 50's. Me, I really don't care. I kinda like the bittersweet though!
 
CAL is not a unified pilot group. I would be very surprised if they ever went on strike. What I mean by "Not unified" is that there are so many different pilots from different airlines and backgrounds that they don't really have the same interest and concerns.
 
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why am I laughing hysterically you ask?

Well, I just got done watching this:

http://www.imagesource.tv/coairvideo/pnbreductions.asx

It's an 18 minute video where Continental management makes it clear they need $500 million, and even explain why only the 500 million amount.

This threat is nothing new. It's happened countless times before. What are they gonna do? Start pulling out jets from their system????

Riiiiiiight... just like Mesaba...

... removed 5 (out of 35) Avro-RJs from service to pressure the pilot group. It didn't work. Pilots got a contract late jan/early feb. last year, and all 5 Avro's were back in service by the summer.

Please, please, I hope employees don't give in to this one.
 
I think CO owns about 30% of their fleet. Better than some, but a far cry from the SWA peanut gallery. The TA threats are nothing new....airlines do this all the time, especially when there is a TA on the table. Rumor has it they are going to be hiring 50 a month for awhile starting this summer/spring. You are right that the group is not unified....the whole eatern thing and all, but there are a lot of pilots that see the writing on the wall and will probably bail out while there is something left of their retirement. This should be interesting. At least they are proactive and not pulling a Delta

-W-
 
voteno said:
Wouldn't it be funny if those CAL pilots took a stand and voted that concessionary contract down!

That would then sure help the over capacity problem.

It is a war of attrition right now. The airlines that get their costs down the lowest will be able to bleed longer and then therefore win. By voitng for concessions all you are doing is ensuring you get on one of the last remainnig life boats leaving the Titanic.

Face it airlines are going to start exiting the business soon.
 
Too bad there isn't any real leadership from ALPA and the other various vegetable soups. How about a concession freeze for 12 months, and/or a minimum pay requirement so that pilot wages are not a variable?

Duane Woerth has been a bigger failure than Mullin.
 
Ty Webb said:
Too bad there isn't any real leadership from ALPA and the other various vegetable soups. How about a concession freeze for 12 months, and/or a minimum pay requirement so that pilot wages are not a variable?

Duane Woerth has been a bigger failure than Mullin.

Duane's just screaming at the toadies to keep filling the sandbags surrounding the bunker in Herndon. He's probably got his jet gassed up at the airport in case he has to flee the country. (Visions of Duane and his staff huddled in the corner of the bunker, praying...)

I wonder how much of ALPA's money is offshore... :rolleyes: TC
 

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