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We had a fantastic co-domicile, SAN/CLD. You could bid for either, based on your seniority, and the trips would all start and end from one or the other(no starting in SAN and ending the trip in CLD). Then they decided to waste money on per diem and hotels by closing the base, and doubling the amount of flights in and out of SAN??!!!
 
[FONT=&quot]Something to think about regarding co-domiciles:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Travel between the two is considered "local in nature" and therefore rest.
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[FONT=&quot]Dear Mr. Johnson:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Thank you for your letter of May 13, 1992, in which you request[/FONT][FONT=&quot] the agency's interpretation of Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) 121.471(f) and 135.263(c). We apologize that the press of other matters, including safety rulemaking, petitions for exemptions, and requests for interpretations received prior to yours, has prevented us from answering sooner.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In your letter you state that some carriers now assign crewmembers co-domiciles, which may be located in two different cities and can be a considerable distance apart. As an example, you state that some carriers dispatch crewmembers from Washington Dulles International Airport and terminate them at Baltimore-Washington International Airport. You point out that the crewmembers must then travel back to Washington Dulles International Airport, their originating domicile, to retrieve their automobile. Travel time between these co-domiciles may at times exceed one hour.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]You ask whether the time spent traveling to the originating[/FONT][FONT=&quot] co-domicile from the terminating co-domicile may be considered rest?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]FAR 121.471(f) states, in pertinent part, that[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Time spent in transportation, not local in character, that[/FONT][FONT=&quot] an air carrier requires of a flight crewmember and provides to transport the crewmember to an airport at which he is to serve on a flight as a crewmember, or from an airport at which he was relieved from duty to return to his home station, is not considered part of a rest period.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]FAR 121.471(f) refers to what is commonly called "deadhead transportation", frequently where crewmembers fly as passengers on the air carrier's airplane to a destination where they are to begin service as flight crewmembers, or the reverse. While such crewmembers are being deadheaded they could not at the same time be considered relieved from all duty with the air carrier for the purpose of satisfying FARs 121.471(f) and 135.263(c). This interpretation would apply regardless of whether the crewmembers accomplished the deadhead portion of the trip on a company airplane, an airplane of another carrier, or by ground transportation. This paragraph did not intend to, and does not apply the deadhead transportation rule to transportation from one's home to one's place of business or employment.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Section 135.263(c) contains an identical provision. Under both[/FONT][FONT=&quot] FARs, three qualifications must be met before the regulation applies. First, the transportation cannot be local in character; second, it must be required of a flight crewmember by the air carrier; and third, it must be provided by the air carrier.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The second and third qualifier is met under your facts. The[/FONT][FONT=&quot] transportation is obviously required of a flight crewmember by the carrier. During a phone conversation on July 1, 1992, you confirmed that the ground transportation was provided by the air carrier from Baltimore-Washington International Airport to Washington Dulles International Airport. The first qualifier however, that the transportation be "not local in character", requires further discussion.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The FAA previously has taken the position that "local [/FONT][FONT=&quot]transportation" is travel to and from one's residence to one's[/FONT][FONT=&quot] place of business, or from a hotel or motel to an airport. The time a pilot spends in traveling between his residence and an airport out of which he is to operate, or from that airport to his residence, is time spent in "local transportation" and is counted as part of a rest period. Further, in a previous interpretation request regarding FAR 121.471(f) and 135.263(c), the FAA stated that local transportation includes travel by crewmembers between their residences and co-domicile airports. The co-domicile airports were Los Angeles International and John Wayne Airport, and transit times sometimes exceeded 1.5 hours.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]While we recognize that the previous FAA interpretations dealt[/FONT][FONT=&quot] with local transportation between airports and crewmember's residences, we believe it is reasonable to include the travel between co-domicile airports within the meaning of "local in character." Co-domicile airports are generally within a relatively close geographic location to one another. The designation of airports as co-domiciles by air carriers means that flight crewmembers can reasonably be expected to be assigned to duty at either airport. It is reasonable to assume that crewmembers dispatched from one co-domicile airport might terminate at the other. The very nature of co-domicile airports lends itself to such operations. As such, we believe it is reasonable for transportation between co-domicile airports such as Baltimore-Washington International Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport to be considered "local in character". Thus, under your facts, ground transportation between co-domicile airports could not be considered deadheading and therefore could be considered rest.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This interpretation has been prepared by Francis C. Heil,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Attorney, Operations Law Branch; Richard C. Beitel, Manager, and has been coordinated with the Air Transportation Division of the Flight Standards Service at FAAHeadquarters. We hope it satisfies your request.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sincerely,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Donald P. Byrne [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Assistant Chief Counsel[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Regulations and Enforcement Division[/FONT]
 
Do you think the White Dragon could handle such things? I could name about 7 who are even less likely to handle dual qual.

Then they should be fired...If you can't handle both, then you probably shouldn't be flying either....The "White Dragon" prabably shouldn't be flying a 172.....

Corporate pilots fly multiple types. Mesa pilots fly both types. I fly the 50, a C172, a Twin Comanche, and a Bonanza...and I would be fine flying an ATR again....

The biggest problem with dual qual. is some of the silly things we have to commit to memory....Clean that up some and it isn't really that big of a deal.....
 
This is an idiotic idea. Dual qual, dual base, pbs, anything else you want to throw away?

So you can fly a shiny 700 out of a base that will save you a total of 40 minutes driving per week?? what exactly are you getting in return for all that? Please think about this. Not that it takes too many brain cells to figure out that it would suck. God pilots are moronic.
 
Exactly the ape-like chest thumping one might expect from merchant. I fly 62 airplane types including the venerable v-tail and if it weren't for those pesky immediate action items and limitations i'd still be part-time prop trash and loving it!!
 

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