CO Crash - (Merged Thread)

[PGH STEEL]

He's not so no. If you look at the time stamps and Alt's on the post above you will see he lost 1200 feet in 14 sec thats around 5000 fpm
or so. Would you do 5000 fpm to stay on glide slope. I dont think so!!!

 

[Flyboy Sabre 65]

Leave it to enigma to say something stupid!!!!!

 

[P3 Tweek]

Flight tracker

Flight tracker had showed that N500AT and its sister ship N500FK had stopped in COU. I had heard that N500FK had arrived in PUB safely.

A prayer is in order for those lost and their surviving loved ones and families..................

Tweek

PS. Speculation: Popping (compressor stalling) of the engines had been reported. Ingested icing??? Tail plane icing perhaps - horizontal tail stall while deploying wing flaps on approach???

 

[hogdriver00]

Usmc V

Fist of all I want to offer condolences to the families and friends of the crew and Pax.



My question is about the USMC Citation V that crashed in San Diego a few years ago. I never heard the outcome of the investigation but I thought the circumstances were similar. Anyone know?



Hog

 

[thatpilotguy]

P3 Tweek, You made a great observation. I recently saw the tail plain icing video...that's a pretty disturbing thing. And at a low altitude would not be fun.

My prayers go out the the family's, friends and co-workers. I wish you all the best in your time of need.

 

[P3 Tweek]

DEN icing

I had flown into BJC several hours earlier that morning. Icing was present and I would have called it moderate rime - typical DEN freezing upslope condx. WX and icing was worse south of BJC. Bad enough that many, if not all, of the BJC based, DEN TV stations news helicopters were not taking the chance on flying down to PUB to get an eye view of the crash scene.

If I remember correctly, the PUB METAR observation at about 1700UTC was OVC006-008, temp -2/-3, and VIS approximately 8 mi.

Tweek

 

[skiav8tor]

The San Diego crash was an Encore going into Miramar, and if I recall, the WX conditions were night VMC...Anybody else know the details? Again, let's not try to speculate on what happened in PUB....just remember the people affected, and their families.

 

[enigma]

Leave it to enigma to say something stupid!!!!!

MrSteel, Mr Service Monky, and Sabre.

I offer a possibility that an outside force, one completely out of the pilots control might have caused this accident.

Would you rather I just decided that the pilots screwed up?

Actually, I don't care what you'd rather. If you don't want to deal with/discuss the incident, why are you here?

enigma

 

[Crossky]

I offer a possibility that an outside force, one completely out of the pilots control might have caused this accident.


If you don't want to deal with/discuss the incident, why are you here?

enigma

It's called respect for the dead and their relatives, co-workers, and friends you freakin' IDIOT. I offer a possibility that an outside force, one completely out of your control, like a recklessly driven baggage cart, may strike you down and knock some sense into you. Then maybe we can speculate ridiculously about you causing your accident.

 

[enigma]

It's called respect for the dead and their relatives, co-workers, and friends you freakin' IDIOT. I offer a possibility that an outside force, one completely out of your control, like a recklessly driven baggage cart, may strike you down and knock some sense into you. Then maybe we can speculate ridiculously about you causing your accident.

Well, I guess you feel better now. Glad to help.

There are four pages of posts dealing with this incident. Many speculate.

If I ever assume horizontal because of an aircraft accident, I can only hope that some of my pilot brethren would speculate that something out of my control caused my demise.

What are you going to say when the true buzzards begin to openly speculate that the pilots made a mistake? Methinks that your anger is displaced.

enigma

 

[enigma]

You suck dude!! WTF

I wasn't going to respond, but I'm feeling nasty this morning.

You can't read dude!! WTF

enigma

 

[enigma]

Leave it to enigma to say something stupid!!!!!

Leave it to a 39 post new member to say something stupid!!!!!!!!!!

enigma

 

[filejw]

It's been said before there should be a condolences thread and an accident thread.

 

[Metro752]

CHINESE GOBBLES KOIREAN WATER AGUA DULCE L70

 

[PGH STEEL]

Enigma you sound like a kid!!! An Idiot with more post than hours!!!

 

[unclematty]

Anyone know if Martinair held the contract to manage Circut City's Flight Operations? If memory serves, MartinAir had the contract approx. 2 years ago.

 

[enigma]

Enigma you sound like a kid!!! An Idiot with more post than hours!!!

Not a kid, just someone tired of idiots who can't read. And idiots who like to start crap just because this is an anonymous forum.

I've been here a long time. In the last few years, we've gained a lot of members who think that it's their job to offer up insults and flame. I just decided to strike back.

You'll never know how many hours I have, because it doesn't matter.


We all lost brothers in the accident that caused this thread to get started. We mourn them, their passengers, and all of their familys. We also come here to search for answers and find consolation amongst brothers. I speculated that some condition outside of the pilots control could have caused their demise. I won't apologize for trying to show that they were not the cause, nor will I stand by and take shots from idiots.

But I will let you have the last word. My last word will be this: I pray that the pilots were not at fault, and I'd do the same for you.

enigma

 

[pilotviolin]

THE USMC Encore crash final was CFIT.

 

[AA717driver]

Service, PGH and flyboy--Enigma was within his rights to post what he did. He wasn't accusing anyone of anything. We're all sad about this and we all know that stuff happens that can kill any of us regardless of our experience level.

I'm not one to jump on new members here but Enigma has been around this board a long time and has earned his stripes in this business. Until you know someone well here, it's best to tread lightly and assume they have good intentions.

Welcome aboard.TC

 

[hogdriver00]

Cfit

THE USMC Encore crash final was CFIT.Today 18:45



That's what I figured. Any other details?