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UPDATE:

(Man. A tear came to my eye when I read this report. Very sad.)

8 die in plane crash

CHIEFTAIN PHOTOS/BRYAN KELSEN
Pueblo County Sheriff's Department personnel, members of the Pueblo County Coroner's office and a National Traffic Safety Board official work the crash site of a Cessna Citation 560 airplane that went down Wednesday east of Pueblo Memorial Airport. Two crew members and six passengers aboard the corporate jet, owned by Circuit City Corp., were killed in the crash.

Corporate jet crashes during approach at Pueblo airport
By PATRICK MALONE
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN
All eight occupants of a corporate jet died Wednesday when it crashed on its descent to Pueblo Memorial Airport.

The twin-engine Cessna Citation 560 belonged to Circuit City Stores Inc., and four of the people who died on board were employed by the company, according to Circuit City spokesman Steve Mullen. A pilot, co-pilot and two others, whose affiliation with Circuit City is unknown, also were killed.

The cause of the crash has not been determined, and the identities of the victims have not been released pending notification of their families.

Chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, Ellen Engleman Conners, arrived at the crash site Wednesday night. She said foul play is not suspected, based on a preliminary investigation.

"We're looking at it as an accident at this point," she said.

The plane crashed 1 mile north of Colorado 96 on a ranch about 5 miles east of the airport, and 5 miles west of the Pueblo Chemical Depot at about 9:15 a.m.

A resident of an isolated farmhouse on the ranch heard the crash and stepped outside to find the burning wreckage several hundred yards away from his Chico Road home. He called 911, according to Pueblo County Sheriff Dan Corsentino.

The Pueblo County Rural Fire Department extinguished the fiery wreckage and found all eight occupants of the jet dead, the sheriff said.

The wreckage spanned a half-mile. Few pieces of the plane remained, and those that did were badly charred.


Pueblo County Sheriff Dan Corsentino (center) addresses members of the media during a press conference near the site where a Cessna Citation 560 jet crashed.

"Significant. Fractured. Splintered," Corsentino said, describing the crashed jet. "From my perspective, it's very sobering. The fuselage was demolished."

The plane was bound from Richmond, Va., to Irvine, Calif. It was traveling in tandem with a second Circuit City jet and had clearance to land in Pueblo to refuel. It had made an earlier fuel stop in Missouri.

The second jet also carried eight people, four of whom were employed by Circuit City. It was trailing the downed jet by 10-12 minutes and landed safely.

Pueblo is a common fueling stop along Circuit City's corporate flight route from Virginia to California, Corsentino said.

"They made this flight numerous times," he said.

Some occupants of the second jet were driven to Denver by sheriff's deputies Wednesday to catch flights to their home states. The pilot and co-pilot stayed in Pueblo to be interviewed as part of the crash investigation, and the cockpit recorder from that jet was extracted to search for possible clues to why the other jet crashed.

Investigators recovered the cockpit voice recorder from the wreckage of the first jet. It will be sent to the NTSB lab in Washington, D.C., to be reviewed, Engleman Conners said.

Occupants of the second flight were reeling from the news that the other plane crashed.

"They're devastated. They're very saddened," Corsentino said. "They had friends on that flight."

The crash happened while the jet was on its landing descent as it approached the airport from the east. Weather conditions were cold, with some freezing drizzle and fog.

Engleman Conners acknowledged that reports of icing on the plane will be among the factors reviewed during the investigation.

Air space at Pueblo Memorial Airport remained open after the crash.

Investigators from numerous government agencies and hordes of media from throughout Colorado descended on the usually quiet ranch after the crash.

The Southern Colorado Joint Terrorism Task Force, comprised of local law enforcement officers and agents from the FBI in Southern Colorado, were among the agencies that responded to the crash. Although terrorism is not suspected, Corsentino said the task force responded because of the crash's proximity to the Pueblo Chemical Depot, where aged mustard agent and munitions are stored in fortified bunkers.

"I have no suspicion that it was more than an accident," Corsentino said. But he deferred further questions to the NTSB, which has taken over the investigation into the cause of the crash.

Engleman Conners said the NTSB will review a number of factors in determining the cause of the crash, including the plane's maintenance records, the weather it traveled through on its way to Pueblo and during its approach to the airport here, as well as the pilot's history. She said the investigation will resume at first light today.

Late Wednesday, the investigation still was in the recovery phase. Investigators from the Pueblo County Coroner's Office had been on the scene for hours and were still in the process of removing the bodies of the crash victims at 9 p.m. The victims' remains will be stored at a local mortuary until their families make funeral arrangements.

Engleman Conners said the wreckage will be left at the crash site for as long as necessary for the NTSB to gather information for its investigation - most likely a number of days.

The full investigation into the crash could last up to a year.
 
The Southern Colorado Joint Terrorism Task Force, comprised of local law enforcement officers and agents from the FBI in Southern Colorado, were among the agencies that responded to the crash. Although terrorism is not suspected, Corsentino said the task force responded because of the crash's proximity to the Pueblo Chemical Depot, where aged mustard agent and munitions are stored in fortified bunkers.

AND...They suggest that this might be terrorism??????????? CHRIST!!
 
jetbluedog said:
AND...They suggest that this might be terrorism??????????? CHRIST!!
Lasers did it, better call in Mulder and Scully.
 
It was a straight V, serial #560-0047. They had already stopped at COU for fuel, and their other V (serial #560-146) was right behind them. Our thoughts and prayers go to the families, friends and employees of Circuit City.
 
First of all, a big thanks to everyone for their thoughtful words during what is without a doubt my worst day at work ever. My fellow employees and the pilots' families appreciate the borderless concern from everyone.

Now to clear up a few rumors and set the record straight.

This was the second planned fuel stop of the day en route to KSNA. We would normally one-stop it but with the strong winds yesterday they decided to make it a three leg trip. Both crews have been to KPUB several times before.

The captain was a terrific guy with close to a decade of experience in Citation 560 aircraft. He was current, qualified, and more than competent to act as PIC. He was one of those people who left perfectly good career elsewhere to fly full time. His name hasn't been released yet so I won't go there but we all will miss him and his dry sense of humor very, very, very much. It aches me to even type these words as I can still see his car parked in the lot from my perch.

The FO was also typed in the CE-500 and although I didn't know him as well he was a jocular, easygoing, competent individual whom everyone liked flying with.

The other crew was number two on the approach behind 500AT. I know both of these pilots very well and cannot begin to imagine what it's like to watch your friends drop off the TCAS screen while the tower is issuing low altitude alerts to them. I think the last 60 seconds of that flight will haunt them for the rest of their days, it would me. They landed without event after being moved to a different runway. They were responsible for calling home and starting the phone tree you never want to be a part of.

What is lacking in this scenario thus far is a smoking gun. Experienced pilots flying a well maintained aircraft in weather they've encountered countless times in their career - during daylight with plenty of rest to boot. I beg all of you to not trample my friends' memories by speculating the cause before the NTSB has a chance to gather and issue the facts. We, as fellow professional aviators, owe them that much.


Again, thanks everyone for his or her thoughts. They will get to the bottom of this and maybe we'll learn something from it.

SS
 
Not to worry SS...I don't think anyone will rush to judge this event, and certainly not your friend's, and our colleague's memories...


P.S. Was it FK or AT that was lost? I understood it to be FK. A tragedy either way...

Blue skies, and keep the positive thoughts!
 
Sydeseet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
OMG..I'm truly sorry for your loss and I'll add their families to my prayers. If there is anything we can do...please let us know....We being such a small community, know the Joys and the sorrows that come with flying, and tho I didnt know them.......I along with others here will certainly feel their absence.
GODS SPEED!
 
Sydeseet,

So very sorry for the loss of your friends and colleagues. All are in my thoughts and prayers.
 
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In 1998, the FAA required operators of several Cessna models, including the one that crashed Wednesday, to add a warning to their flight manuals that flying in freezing drizzle and other conditions "may result in ice build-up on protected surfaces exceeding the capability of the ice protection system."

"Protected Surfaces?"

I believe they mean 'UN-protected' surfaces, no?
 
In reading that supplement...I do believe that they meant 'protected', as later in the sentence reference is made to 'exceeding' the capabilities of the system.
 
sydeseet said:
First of all, a big thanks to everyone for their thoughtful words during what is without a doubt my worst day at work ever. My fellow employees and the pilots' families appreciate the borderless concern from everyone.

Now to clear up a few rumors and set the record straight.

This was the second planned fuel stop of the day en route to KSNA. We would normally one-stop it but with the strong winds yesterday they decided to make it a three leg trip. Both crews have been to KPUB several times before.

The captain was a terrific guy with close to a decade of experience in Citation 560 aircraft. He was current, qualified, and more than competent to act as PIC. He was one of those people who left perfectly good career elsewhere to fly full time. His name hasn't been released yet so I won't go there but we all will miss him and his dry sense of humor very, very, very much. It aches me to even type these words as I can still see his car parked in the lot from my perch.

The FO was also typed in the CE-500 and although I didn't know him as well he was a jocular, easygoing, competent individual whom everyone liked flying with.

The other crew was number two on the approach behind 500AT. I know both of these pilots very well and cannot begin to imagine what it's like to watch your friends drop off the TCAS screen while the tower is issuing low altitude alerts to them. I think the last 60 seconds of that flight will haunt them for the rest of their days, it would me. They landed without event after being moved to a different runway. They were responsible for calling home and starting the phone tree you never want to be a part of.

What is lacking in this scenario thus far is a smoking gun. Experienced pilots flying a well maintained aircraft in weather they've encountered countless times in their career - during daylight with plenty of rest to boot. I beg all of you to not trample my friends' memories by speculating the cause before the NTSB has a chance to gather and issue the facts. We, as fellow professional aviators, owe them that much.


Again, thanks everyone for his or her thoughts. They will get to the bottom of this and maybe we'll learn something from it.

SS

All I can say is, that is the best comment I've ever seen on this forum! I came on the corporate area to find out any info about this. Having gone through a similar situation over a year ago with my previous employer, losing friends, and watching dweebs on this forum speculate about the accident, was sickening. Bravo, friend, and my sympathies, to you and the families.
 
Very sorry for the loss of your friends and co-workers. May god be with their families and loved ones.
 
Were there birds reported in the area? The cessnas are not prone to catastrophic failures that I am aware of. I hope that the NTSB finds that the accident was caused by conditions out of their control.
 
JustShy said:
In 1998, the FAA required operators of several Cessna models, including the one that crashed Wednesday, to add a warning to their flight manuals that flying in freezing drizzle and other conditions "may result in ice build-up on protected surfaces exceeding the capability of the ice protection system."

"Protected Surfaces?"

I believe they mean 'UN-protected' surfaces, no?

It is Protected Areas. In icing conditions you were required to add 8 knots to ref. Part of this comes from the 560's inability to completely shed accumulated ice. Even when you let it build to 1/4", when you cycle the boots you still left patches on the leading edge, which is a non-inflated area. Later SBs calibrated the AOA to a higher indication when anti-ice is ON, thus giving you the added buffer to ref. I know this applied to 560 series, not sure of others. The best thing Cessna has done to the 500 series wing (and CJ) is to put a heated leading edge on them.

2000Flyer
 
Jet plunged 1300 feet

TheDenverChannel.com


Doomed Jet Plunged 1,300 Feet Just Before Crash

Investigators Try To Pin Down Reason For Rapid Descent



POSTED: 8:54 am MST February 18, 2005
UPDATED: 9:31 am MST February 18, 2005


DENVER -- Federal authorities investigating the crash of a corporate jet near the Pueblo airport that killed all eight people aboard said the plane's approach appeared normal until a minute before the crash. That's when the Cessna Citation C-560 plummeted 1,300 feet in 28 seconds.

The pilot did not radio the control tower to say what happed, and the jet crashed 15 seconds later, according to Frank Hilldrup, the National Transportation Safety Board investigator in charge of the crash investigation.

http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0217/4205861_200X150.jpg Investigators can be seen examining the main part of the crash site. The plane's tail section can also be seen to their right.
http://images.ibsys.com/sh/images/ibs_icon/popup.gifSlideshow: See More Images From Plane Crash Site



Hilldrup and NTSB chairwoman Ellen Engleman Conners said investigators had interviewed air traffic controllers at Pueblo Memorial Airport.

Hilldrup said the last radar reading of the plane indicated it was about 300 feet above the ground.

Earlier Thursday, Conners had said radar tracking of the plane had revealed some "interesting characteristics" but did not elaborate.

The jet, owned by electronics retailer Circuit City Stores Inc., was stopping to refuel in Pueblo when it crashed. Circuit City said four employees, two outside business partners and two pilots were killed.

Neither Circuit City nor the Pueblo County coroner has released their names but families confirmed that the victims included pilot Bruce Walton, 53, of Richmond, Va.; co-pilot Jeffrey Wightman, 42, of Tappahannock, Va.; Kyle Jeffrey Harmon, 26, an assistant buyer with Circuit City from Virginia; Aaron Iskowitz, also of Virginia, and Vincent Choe, 32, of New Jersey, The Denver Post reported.



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FINAL SECONDS


9:12:30 a.m. jet at 6,100 feet above sea level
9:12:34 a.m. 6,000 feet
9:12:39 a.m. 5,600 feet
9:12:44 a.m. 4,900 feet (airport elevation: 4,736 feet)
9:13 first 911 call comes in

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Conners said the investigation will include the weather and potential mechanical problems.

Hilldrup said aviation officials had issued a warning about icing conditions in the Pueblo area before the crash, and the pilot of another Cessna Citation that landed shortly after the accident reported light to moderate icing.

That pilot activated an in-flight deicing system. Ice can weigh down a plane and hurt its aerodynamics.

Hilldrup said it was too early to say whether the plane's jet engines were operating normally when the aircraft crashed.

Investigators recovered the plane's cockpit voice recorder and were interviewing witnesses and getting records on the aircraft and its crew. Investigators also removed the voice recorder from the other Cessna Citation, which was also owned by Circuit City.

Two witnesses told sheriff's investigators they heard loud popping noises from plane shortly before the crash at about 9 a.m. Conners said investigators were looking into those accounts.

The flight originated in Richmond, Va., home of Circuit City, and was heading to Orange County, Calif. authorities said. The planes made a refueling stop early Wednesday in Columbia, Mo.

It was the fourth fatal crash of a small plane in Colorado since late November.

A Cessna 560 crashed in 1995 in Eagle River, Wis., killing two pilots, the only people on board. NTSB spokeswoman Lauren Peduzzi said it would be "very premature" to draw parallels between the two incidents.
 
The aircraft belonged to a major electronics retailer. Is it possible that one of the pax was some sort of techie who was attempting to use a electronic device and his device interfered with the g/s?

This seems unlikely, assuming that the w/x report is correct in that they had 800 or so feet of air underneath the clouds, but considering the aircraft ownership it could have had some bearing on the accident.

God comfort the families.
enigma
 
Well take my freedom of speech and blast a steaming chunky load all over it.

Will you guys apologize if Enigma is possibly correct?

Not allowe to speculate anymore I guess
 

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