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737 Pylt said:
1.)Done! I love a god merlot as well!
Splendid! See, we do have a common interest after all. I reside in the MCO area. If you're serious, PM me prior to you next time in my town and you can be my guest. I must warn you however that you're likely to discover I am not the "enemy" that you suspect me to be.

2.)If you're referring to J4J then you'll have to forgive me as I haven't seen that anywhere in the DAL PWA! I have heard much talk about it from many rjdc supporters, but we know how much water that holds! One thing your union fails to see is that they do not negotiate with DAL management, they negotiate with CMR management. Your union is no more entitled to bargin on my unions behalf, just as we are not allowed to do so on your behalf. I know we (DALPA) made our bed and are now lying in it, but nobody is trying to take anything from you guys. Whether it be airplanes or J4J. The line in the sand was drawn for the 70 seaters, and CMR/ASA pilots have reached their scope limits. PERIOD! We will protect all mainline flying! The only way that will be changed is through BK which in this case looks inevitable (sp?)!
Actually I wasn't refering to J4J with reference to DAL since I'm not yet aware of your having made any formal proposal in that area. For what its worth, I do think that mess created at U is an abomination and hold the union leadership responsible for malfeasance. Should the DMEC negotiate a J4J protocol, we do have the option to reject it as long as our CBA remains in place and hopefully, CMR pilots would be wise enough to do so.

The problem of whom we negotiate with is a different matter and a definite bone of contention. CMR "management" is in reality nothing more than operations management and therefore lacks the ability to make any contract without the consent of DAL management. Negotiating with CMR management is therefore a waste of time and effort, particularly with regard to job security issues. CMR management cannot secure my job; only DAL management can do that. Therefore we need to negotiate with DAL management directly or, at the very least, Section 1 of our CBA must bind DAL. Otherwise it is meaningless. DAL management has not refused to negotiate with us. ALPA however, has denied us that right. I consider that denial to be a deliberate breach on the part of the ALPA to represent my interests fairly. That must be reversed, legally.

I agree completely that my branch of the union has no right to negotiate on your behalf. We have not attempted to do so. While you say that you have no right to negotiate on our behalf with which I would also agree, nevertheless your MEC does not practice what you preach and does so routinely without our consent. This is sanctioned and both overtly and covertly supported by the ALPA. I consider this to be another breach of the ALPA's DFR. Additionally, when the ALPA permits your bargaining unit to use my career as a bargaining chip in its negotiations, that is yet another breach of ALPA's duty to represent me fairly and, in my opinion, constitutes egregious bad faith bargaining. It does not border on the irrational, it is irrational.

The conflicts of interest that exist between us will never vanish on the basis of unilateral actions by either party. It is the union's responsibility to take whatever steps are neccessary to ensure resolution of the existing conflicts. Instead, by chosing to discriminate in your favor it exascerbates them. The instant that the ALPA's President signs a document that makes my rights subservient to your rights he has violated the union's charter and Federal law. Section 1 of your current PWA is such a document.

The union maintains that Comair and Delta are separate airlines. I don't argue with the union's right to make that determination. However, once it is made, the rights of Comair pilots as members of this union become equal to those of Delta pilots, not subordinate or subservient to them. Comair's status as a subsidiary of Delta has no legal effect on the status of ALPA membership for CMR pilots vs that of Delta pilots. Each member in good standing has the same rights as any other member in good standing. That ALPA chooses to attempt to equate corporate status with that of membership status and thereby rule that our interests are subordinate to your interests is error on the part of ALPA. That error must be corrected and I think it will be.

When, as I believe they will, the courts sustain those arguments in Ford vs ALPA the union will be directed to stop such practices and hopefully reverse their damaging impact on the careers of Comair and ASA pilots. That may negate certain portions of the Delta PWA, which I think is a small price to pay for correcting the errant behavior of the ALPA. It is not likely to have much, if any, real impact on Delta pilots, but it will certainly be an emancipation for Comair pilots. I can't wait.

Regards
 
surplus1 said:
Splendid! See, we do have a common interest after all. I reside in the MCO area. If you're serious, PM me prior to you next time in my town and you can be my guest. I must warn you however that you're likely to discover I am not the "enemy" that you suspect me to be.
Surplus:
I don't suspect you to be the ememy at all! Quite the contrary. I find you to be very rational in your responses and thought provoking. I however, on the other hand tend to react on emotion. A weekness I am working on.
Cheers,
737
 
737Pylt,

Thanks. I'm a little on the "older" side. One tends to mellow with time.

Regards
 
ifly4food said:
A prominent RJDC supporter told me the other day that Dan Ford heard a rumor that CMR -700s are going to be "diverted" to ASA to cover the SLC and increased ATL flying.

Anyone heard such that can confirm or deny?
We have these really great "Operational Awareness" days on our schedules this month, where training comes in and tells us what we already know about recent POH and operational changes, and then a VP comes in and tries to sell us on a "cost neutral" contract and "maintaining the value gap" between us and mainline. Well, the VP who came in and talked to my group last week said that Comair mgmt is unhappy with the 70s, can't seem to get them running right or something. He said (partially in jest) that ASA mgmt offered to straight-swap our 50s for CMRs 70s, but they're not holding their breath.

Take that for what you will...
 
Re: CMR-700 rumor

RJFlyer said:
Well, the VP who came in and talked to my group last week said that Comair mgmt is unhappy with the 70s, can't seem to get them running right or something...
Take that for what you will...
Management BS. Comair would be operating many more CL-700s and 900s right now if it weren't for the mainline scope clause.

If they can sucker you guys into buying some planes with your contract, they win. "Cost neutral" is code for cheaper than Comair.
 
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