Cleric: $1 Million to Kill Cartoonist

[414Flyer]

The Bible did not espouse activities of the inquisition. The Holy Qu'ran (Piss Be Upon It) does espouse violence, and enslaving the non believers.

Bible does not recommend killing someone who insults Jesus, actually Jesus called for the Romans and Jews to be forgiven. Quran and the Pederast Mohammed called for anyone, non Muslims included, to be killed if they say anything bad about him.

Islam does not call for peaceful coexistence, unless those of other religions are willing to submit to Islamic control and have a second class status called "Dhimmi", where they pay special taxes and agree to a set of rules.

You will find very few countries with mixed religions, including a large muslim population where there is not harassment towards non Muslims, or Muslims attemting to live apart in a parallel society.

 

[414Flyer]

No, but they were murdering 6 million Jews in concentration camps. Atrocities have been committed by pretty much all religions, even recently.

They were not being killed in the name of Christianity and with a call to God before hand. There is a difference between someone of a religion doing something, and someone doing something in the name of their religion.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

The Bible did not espouse activities of the inquisition. The Holy Qu'ran (Piss Be Upon It) does espouse violence, and enslaving the non believers.

Bible does not recommend killing someone who insults Jesus, actually Jesus called for the Romans and Jews to be forgiven. Quran and the Pederast Mohammed called for anyone, non Muslims included, to be killed if they say anything bad about him.

Islam does not call for peaceful coexistence, unless those of other religions are willing to submit to Islamic control and have a second class status called "Dhimmi", where they pay special taxes and agree to a set of rules.

You will find very few countries with mixed religions, including a large muslim population where there is not harassment towards non Muslims, or Muslims attemting to live apart in a parallel society.

And on the opposite side those countries will also have significant harrasment towards Muslims. I think its safe to say, in fact, that Muslims in America recive more harrasment from Non-Muslims, than Non-Muslims recieve from Muslims.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

They were not being killed in the name of Christianity and with a call to God before hand. There is a difference between someone of a religion doing something, and someone doing something in the name of their religion.

Of course it had to do with God, why else would Catholics, Gypsies and any other non-protestans have ended up there as well? It may have been predominantly cultural, but you can't discount the religious aspect of Hitler's campaign.

 

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No, but they were murdering 6 million Jews in concentration camps. Atrocities have been committed by pretty much all religions, even recently.

Who's " they?" Hitler didn't carry out his murder with the consent of any christian church or clergy. Your statement is asinine.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Here is an interesting article I found on how to deal with the Wahabi problem

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_42_17/ai_80851964

 

[414Flyer]

And on the opposite side those countries will also have significant harrasment towards Muslims. I think its safe to say, in fact, that Muslims in America recive more harrasment from Non-Muslims, than Non-Muslims recieve from Muslims.

Yeah, so much harassment that they are trying to move to western countries in droves. Not of course to be a part of those countries populations however. Yeah those horrible Europeans so harass those muslims, they give them so much social welfare money and all those poor Muslims can do in return is rape European non muslim women or call for holy war against their new countries.

How many Muslims are killed by Non-Muslims in religious violence?

How many Muslims are killed by other Muslims in religious violence?

There is far more violence towards each other than from non Muslims. Why are problems with Hindu immigrants virtually non existent? I have not heard any Hindus call for terrorism, holy war, or killing for mocking of Krishna or Ganesh.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Who's " they?" Hitler didn't carry out his murder with the consent of any christian church or clergy. Your statement is asinine.

He carried it out in the name of the Church, and I'm sure there were ministers who supported him. Neither Islam nor the Protestant church in Germany have an established Hierarchy that could give assent to things like the demonstrations or the Holocaust. Religious power is concentrated in local religious authorities for both. Many Clergy did endorse Hitler, and many of the Islamic clergy endorse the current demonstrations.

try this on for size
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/p/NaziChristian.htm

 

[Loafman]

"God is just an imaginary friend for grown-ups." - Morgan Freeman

 

[414Flyer]

Of course it had to do with God, why else would Catholics, Gypsies and any other non-protestans have ended up there as well? It may have been predominantly cultural, but you can't discount the religious aspect of Hitler's campaign.

It was more about "ethnicity" and biological supremacy, and promoting the Aryan race. Ironically the term "aryan" comes from a movement out of India a long time ago, but thats for another discussion.

They saw Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and those with birth defects as people who did not need to be around anymore or reproduce. Because someone who may have opposed Hitler and was Catholic and jailed, does not mean there was a campaign against Catholics. Someone who could have been a non practicing Jew was just as likely to have been killed, since it was about ancestry, and the Nazis saw Jews less as a religious entity, and more about a distinct race with a distinct culture.

It was far far more about racial purity than religion

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Yeah, so much harassment that they are trying to move to western countries in droves. Not of course to be a part of those countries populations however. Yeah those horrible Europeans so harass those muslims, they give them so much social welfare money and all those poor Muslims can do in return is rape European non muslim women or call for holy war against their new countries.

How many Muslims are killed by Non-Muslims in religious violence?

How many Muslims are killed by other Muslims in religious violence?

There is far more violence towards each other than from non Muslims. Why are problems with Hindu immigrants virtually non existent? I have not heard any Hindus call for terrorism, holy war, or killing for mocking of Krishna or Ganesh.

Perhaps they are willing to deal with the racism for a chance to get into a economically strong country.
As far as Non Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq alone we have 2272 Non muslims killed to at least 28427 Muslims. Now I realize that many of those Muslims were probably killed by bombs, etc. But even if half of them were, thats still about 14000 Muslims kiilled by non-muslims.
Regarding the Hindu scenario, I never denied that Islam today has a violent tint to it. But that is mainly the result of Wahabiism, not Islam itself.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

It was more about "ethnicity" and biological supremacy, and promoting the Aryan race. Ironically the term "aryan" comes from a movement out of India a long time ago, but thats for another discussion.

They saw Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and those with birth defects as people who did not need to be around anymore or reproduce. Because someone who may have opposed Hitler and was Catholic and jailed, does not mean there was a campaign against Catholics. Someone who could have been a non practicing Jew was just as likely to have been killed, since it was about ancestry, and the Nazis saw Jews less as a religious entity, and more about a distinct race with a distinct culture.

It was far far more about racial purity than religion

I realize that, read what said, but to completely take religion out of it is foolish. Religion did count. BTW it was an active campaign against Catholics, not just an incidental thing. It wasnt nearly as large as that against the others but it was there.

 

[414Flyer]

Perhaps they are willing to deal with the racism for a chance to get into a economically strong country.
As far as Non Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq alone we have 2272 Non muslims killed to at least 28427 Muslims. Now I realize that many of those Muslims were probably killed by bombs, etc. But even if half of them were, thats still about 14000 Muslims kiilled by non-muslims.
Regarding the Hindu scenario, I never denied that Islam today has a violent tint to it. But that is mainly the result of Wahabiism, not Islam itself.

Did you miss the part about where I mentioned being killed in religious violence? I hope you arent implying our troops are fighting and killing for religion.

Its the Quran, not some specific Wahabi text that advocated violence towards non muslims, or not coexisting unless the non muslims submit to muslim control. The wahabis just take it that much further to where they start to get those same notions towards non Wahabi. There is a lot of Arabic supremacy in Islam, and Arabs treat non Arab Muslims badly. Muslims are taught that Arabic is a superior language, and that Arab culture is superior. Personally I think a lot of Islam was made to allow Arab subjugation of non Arab surrounding areas.

Pakistan and Syria are not wahabi, and thats been where some of the worst violence and demonstrations have been.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Did you miss the part about where I mentioned being killed in religious violence? I hope you arent implying our troops are fighting and killing for religion.

Its the Quran, not some specific Wahabi text that advocated violence towards non muslims, or not coexisting unless the non muslims submit to muslim control. The wahabis just take it that much further to where they start to get those same notions towards non Wahabi. There is a lot of Arabic supremacy in Islam, and Arabs treat non Arab Muslims badly. Muslims are taught that Arabic is a superior language, and that Arab culture is superior. Personally I think a lot of Islam was made to allow Arab subjugation of non Arab surrounding areas.

Pakistan and Syria are not wahabi, and thats been where some of the worst violence and demonstrations have been.

The Wahabiism is rubbing off on the rest of the Muslims. As you said the primary language in Islamic cultures is Arab, since most of the Arabs are Wahabi it rubs off. The major "secular" power of the Islamic world is Wahabi and it's ideas have spread to other areas, even if the people don't consider themselves Wahabi. Christianity did the same thing in North America in the 15 and 1600's.
I don't deny that Currently Islam has an aspect of violence to it, or that the Koran calls for a Muslim Government. But to say that Islam as a religion is evil is too much of a generalization.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Who's " they?" Hitler didn't carry out his murder with the consent of any christian church or clergy. Your statement is asinine.

And since you are wrong, I can only imagine how asinine your statement must be.