Cleric: $1 Million to Kill Cartoonist

[Gorilla]

They did not put Lutheran's to death for their religion. They put other Christian sects such as Catholics to death for their religion. Just as Sunni's kill Shi'ites, and vice versa.

Dude, where did you get this utterly bizarre notion that there is a parallel between Nazis/Christianity and Al-Quaeda/Islam?

The holocaust was a RACE-based extermination, not a religious pogrom. The Nazis were strong believers in racial purity. If you had "Jewish blood", you were a target, as were those of Slavik and Eastern European origin. Hitler and his boys had their eyes on the prize of an Aryan nation, not a Christian one. They had no official religion, but did promote a weird mix of nordic legend and pagan cultishness. For example, new Nazi party flags are consecrated by touching them to an original party flag, stained with the blood of those fallen in the "Beer Hall Putsch". At Nuremberg, Hitler extolls the primacy of the Nazi Party (NOT Christianity) in Germany, declaring, "All loyal Germans will become National Socialists. Only the best National Socialists are party comrades!"

France, Denmark, and the lowlands were conquered not "In the name of Jesus", but in the name of vengeance for the Versailles Treaty. Their troops fought under a Swastika, not a Cross. They did not shout "Jesus is Great!" as they ripped through the Maginot line and shelled the British at Dunkirk.

Calling Hitler a Christian monster, and lumping his crimes under the category of "Christian Atrocities", is as lame as claiming McVeigh's act in Ok City was one of "Christian Terror." Although this certainly won't stop fools from trying to do so.

I freely admit Christianity committed atrocities. These actions ended in the 1500's with some occasional isolated incidents past that. It has been hundreds of years since Christianity was a threat beyond three guys dressed in charcoal suits handing out tracts at your door.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Hitler was not a Christian. He cop-opted the term, but in reality he was into some weird crap.

Spin all you like, the world is starting to wake up, and your sophist attempt to paint Christianity and the religion of death with the same brush will fail.

Read what I said, they were "Christians in name if not deed"
I'm not trying to paint Chrisitanity as a religion of death, I never have. My only point was that Christians are just as capable of killing for religious purposes as Muslims. Get off your high-horse and realize than anything in which people are a part is falible. Even if the words passed straight down from the bible are perfection, as soon as people get to it, it gets perverted. Perhaps we as Christians are sickened by what others have done in the name of our religion, but denying that they did it in the name of our religion is ridiculous.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

you are so off base its impossible to even reason with you...your wrong...plain and simple.

I just did a google search for "Lutherans killed in holocaust" I didnt find a single site which mentioned the persecution of Lutherans. Instead the only references I found were about how the Lutheran Church supported Hitler and helped the rise of the National Socialists. Now, its very possible that I put the wrong terms in, or perhaps there is not a single website existing that has any information about it. If you could direct me to one, I would much enjoy that. As far as reasoning with me, isn't that what im doing? Yet you make assertions that I can find no information to back up. Is that your idea of reasoning?

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Dude, where did you get this utterly bizarre notion that there is a parallel between Nazis/Christianity and Al-Quaeda/Islam?

The holocaust was a RACE-based extermination, not a religious pogrom. The Nazis were strong believers in racial purity. If you had "Jewish blood", you were a target, as were those of Slavik and Eastern European origin. Hitler and his boys had their eyes on the prize of an Aryan nation, not a Christian one. They had no official religion, but did promote a weird mix of nordic legend and pagan cultishness. For example, new Nazi party flags are consecrated by touching them to an original party flag, stained with the blood of those fallen in the "Beer Hall Putsch". At Nuremberg, Hitler extolls the primacy of the Nazi Party (NOT Christianity) in Germany, declaring, "All loyal Germans will become National Socialists. Only the best National Socialists are party comrades!"

France, Denmark, and the lowlands were conquered not "In the name of Jesus", but in the name of vengeance for the Versailles Treaty. Their troops fought under a Swastika, not a Cross. They did not shout "Jesus is Great!" as they ripped through the Maginot line and shelled the British at Dunkirk.

Calling Hitler a Christian monster, and lumping his crimes under the category of "Christian Atrocities", is as lame as claiming McVeigh's act in Ok City was one of "Christian Terror." Although this certainly won't stop fools from trying to do so.

I freely admit Christianity committed atrocities. These actions ended in the 1500's with some occasional isolated incidents past that. It has been hundreds of years since Christianity was a threat beyond three guys dressed in charcoal suits handing out tracts at your door.

I dont mind the Jehovah's Witnesses, so they aren't a threat. And while I agree that the Holocaust was primarily race based, it also had religion to it. Put it this way: If I, a white anglo-saxon, had convereted to Judaism in 1933, would I have ended up in a concentration camp? Most likely. Though admitedly, since I didnt, I cant back that up as complete proof.
I also never labeled Hitler as a Christian monster. More likely he was a monster who was Christian, or at least thought he was.
My very point is that to blame Christianity for the Holocaust is ridiculous, just as blaming Islam for terrorists is.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Mainstream Islam needs to really speak up, denounce these despicable acts, and publicly distance themselves from these extremists.

What ever happened to a letter to the editor? I think people in general need a thicker skin and need to 'go with the flow' a bit more.

Agreed one hundred percent.

 

[Resocha]

It has been hundreds of years since Christianity was a threat beyond three guys dressed in charcoal suits handing out tracts at your door.

Until Dubya ascended the throne.

 

[Resocha]

My very point is that to blame Christianity for the Holocaust is ridiculous, just as blaming Islam for terrorists is.

Chickenhawk is spot-on.

To believe every Muslim is a terrorist (because of the acts of a few) is to believe every Christian is a pedophile (because of the acts of a few). Terrorism is a political issue, not a religious issue, regardless of the justification the terrorists give for their cause.

 

[Wyatt]

ALL organized religion is just a form of mind control.

I think that everyone has the right to believe in a deity and an afterlife but ANYONE who uses it as an excuse to kill is WRONG!

God, Allah, or whoever you believe in...Im sure has a special place for those who use religious belief as an excuse for any type of wrong.