Cleric: $1 Million to Kill Cartoonist

[WMUchickenhawk]

Here is an interesting article I found on how to deal with the Wahabi problem

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_42_17/ai_80851964

 

[414Flyer]

And on the opposite side those countries will also have significant harrasment towards Muslims. I think its safe to say, in fact, that Muslims in America recive more harrasment from Non-Muslims, than Non-Muslims recieve from Muslims.

Yeah, so much harassment that they are trying to move to western countries in droves. Not of course to be a part of those countries populations however. Yeah those horrible Europeans so harass those muslims, they give them so much social welfare money and all those poor Muslims can do in return is rape European non muslim women or call for holy war against their new countries.

How many Muslims are killed by Non-Muslims in religious violence?

How many Muslims are killed by other Muslims in religious violence?

There is far more violence towards each other than from non Muslims. Why are problems with Hindu immigrants virtually non existent? I have not heard any Hindus call for terrorism, holy war, or killing for mocking of Krishna or Ganesh.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Who's " they?" Hitler didn't carry out his murder with the consent of any christian church or clergy. Your statement is asinine.

He carried it out in the name of the Church, and I'm sure there were ministers who supported him. Neither Islam nor the Protestant church in Germany have an established Hierarchy that could give assent to things like the demonstrations or the Holocaust. Religious power is concentrated in local religious authorities for both. Many Clergy did endorse Hitler, and many of the Islamic clergy endorse the current demonstrations.

try this on for size
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/p/NaziChristian.htm

 

[Loafman]

"God is just an imaginary friend for grown-ups." - Morgan Freeman

 

[414Flyer]

Of course it had to do with God, why else would Catholics, Gypsies and any other non-protestans have ended up there as well? It may have been predominantly cultural, but you can't discount the religious aspect of Hitler's campaign.

It was more about "ethnicity" and biological supremacy, and promoting the Aryan race. Ironically the term "aryan" comes from a movement out of India a long time ago, but thats for another discussion.

They saw Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and those with birth defects as people who did not need to be around anymore or reproduce. Because someone who may have opposed Hitler and was Catholic and jailed, does not mean there was a campaign against Catholics. Someone who could have been a non practicing Jew was just as likely to have been killed, since it was about ancestry, and the Nazis saw Jews less as a religious entity, and more about a distinct race with a distinct culture.

It was far far more about racial purity than religion

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Yeah, so much harassment that they are trying to move to western countries in droves. Not of course to be a part of those countries populations however. Yeah those horrible Europeans so harass those muslims, they give them so much social welfare money and all those poor Muslims can do in return is rape European non muslim women or call for holy war against their new countries.

How many Muslims are killed by Non-Muslims in religious violence?

How many Muslims are killed by other Muslims in religious violence?

There is far more violence towards each other than from non Muslims. Why are problems with Hindu immigrants virtually non existent? I have not heard any Hindus call for terrorism, holy war, or killing for mocking of Krishna or Ganesh.

Perhaps they are willing to deal with the racism for a chance to get into a economically strong country.
As far as Non Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq alone we have 2272 Non muslims killed to at least 28427 Muslims. Now I realize that many of those Muslims were probably killed by bombs, etc. But even if half of them were, thats still about 14000 Muslims kiilled by non-muslims.
Regarding the Hindu scenario, I never denied that Islam today has a violent tint to it. But that is mainly the result of Wahabiism, not Islam itself.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

It was more about "ethnicity" and biological supremacy, and promoting the Aryan race. Ironically the term "aryan" comes from a movement out of India a long time ago, but thats for another discussion.

They saw Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and those with birth defects as people who did not need to be around anymore or reproduce. Because someone who may have opposed Hitler and was Catholic and jailed, does not mean there was a campaign against Catholics. Someone who could have been a non practicing Jew was just as likely to have been killed, since it was about ancestry, and the Nazis saw Jews less as a religious entity, and more about a distinct race with a distinct culture.

It was far far more about racial purity than religion

I realize that, read what said, but to completely take religion out of it is foolish. Religion did count. BTW it was an active campaign against Catholics, not just an incidental thing. It wasnt nearly as large as that against the others but it was there.

 

[414Flyer]

Perhaps they are willing to deal with the racism for a chance to get into a economically strong country.
As far as Non Muslims killing Muslims in Iraq alone we have 2272 Non muslims killed to at least 28427 Muslims. Now I realize that many of those Muslims were probably killed by bombs, etc. But even if half of them were, thats still about 14000 Muslims kiilled by non-muslims.
Regarding the Hindu scenario, I never denied that Islam today has a violent tint to it. But that is mainly the result of Wahabiism, not Islam itself.

Did you miss the part about where I mentioned being killed in religious violence? I hope you arent implying our troops are fighting and killing for religion.

Its the Quran, not some specific Wahabi text that advocated violence towards non muslims, or not coexisting unless the non muslims submit to muslim control. The wahabis just take it that much further to where they start to get those same notions towards non Wahabi. There is a lot of Arabic supremacy in Islam, and Arabs treat non Arab Muslims badly. Muslims are taught that Arabic is a superior language, and that Arab culture is superior. Personally I think a lot of Islam was made to allow Arab subjugation of non Arab surrounding areas.

Pakistan and Syria are not wahabi, and thats been where some of the worst violence and demonstrations have been.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Did you miss the part about where I mentioned being killed in religious violence? I hope you arent implying our troops are fighting and killing for religion.

Its the Quran, not some specific Wahabi text that advocated violence towards non muslims, or not coexisting unless the non muslims submit to muslim control. The wahabis just take it that much further to where they start to get those same notions towards non Wahabi. There is a lot of Arabic supremacy in Islam, and Arabs treat non Arab Muslims badly. Muslims are taught that Arabic is a superior language, and that Arab culture is superior. Personally I think a lot of Islam was made to allow Arab subjugation of non Arab surrounding areas.

Pakistan and Syria are not wahabi, and thats been where some of the worst violence and demonstrations have been.

The Wahabiism is rubbing off on the rest of the Muslims. As you said the primary language in Islamic cultures is Arab, since most of the Arabs are Wahabi it rubs off. The major "secular" power of the Islamic world is Wahabi and it's ideas have spread to other areas, even if the people don't consider themselves Wahabi. Christianity did the same thing in North America in the 15 and 1600's.
I don't deny that Currently Islam has an aspect of violence to it, or that the Koran calls for a Muslim Government. But to say that Islam as a religion is evil is too much of a generalization.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Who's " they?" Hitler didn't carry out his murder with the consent of any christian church or clergy. Your statement is asinine.

And since you are wrong, I can only imagine how asinine your statement must be.

 

[ultrarunner]

Monkeys,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060217/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings

Are they even capable of thought process other than kill?

They are passionate about their religious believes and will defend them to the end.

$hit, no one sweats pissing off a christian since they don't take a dump without asking the freaking pope.

Muslims have a slightly different standard.

Everyones religious beliefs deserve respect, and while I also support free-speech and freedom of the press...the exercising of each comes with risk if you cross the line of respect.

If the cartooist pays with his life, then he pays with his life. He exercised his right, and he may pay the price.

That's it.

 

[AC560]

No, but they were murdering 6 million Jews in concentration camps. Atrocities have been committed by pretty much all religions, even recently.

So because Hitler killed Jew's as a ferverant Christian warrior as you claim it is ok for Muslims to fly planes into buildings and hack people's heads off with a steak knife? Makes perfect sense now.

 

[ultrarunner]

In the meantime, in this country, we have the National Endowment for the Arts paying people that put an image of the Virgin Mary in a bottle of piss....

Like I said, no one worries about pissing of a christian. However, if Christian radicals (if there is such a think) showed up at 1100 Pennsylvania Ave and torched their building...

Oh, never mind.

 

[J.C.Airborne]

No, but they were murdering 6 million Jews in concentration camps. Atrocities have been committed by pretty much all religions, even recently.

Definately not! You think the Nazis were christians! Absolutely not! IN fact many Christians were put in those concentration camps the same as the jews were!

 

[AC560]

Definately not! You think the Nazis were christians! Absolutely not! IN fact many Christians were put in those concentration camps the same as the jews were!

It was lack of insight into each other's respective sides that fueled the Holocaust and increased tension. If only we had chose to combat it with cool heads and increased understanding.

 

[jknight8907]

No, but they were murdering 6 million Jews in concentration camps. Atrocities have been committed by pretty much all religions, even recently.

People with Christian beliefs were in the concentration camps too.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

So because Hitler killed Jew's as a ferverant Christian warrior as you claim it is ok for Muslims to fly planes into buildings and hack people's heads off with a steak knife? Makes perfect sense now.

When did I say anything remotely close to that?
I never even said they were right to get pissed off so much about the cartoon. Because I don't think they are.
Take that crap your shovelling and move it elsewhere. Don't try to put words into my mouth, especially such vile disgusting ones as what you just wrote. I'm sure that everyone else on this board is smart enough to see that I never said that. Its too bad that you are too dense to realize it yourself.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Definately not! You think the Nazis were christians! Absolutely not! IN fact many Christians were put in those concentration camps the same as the jews were!

The Nazi's were christian, in name if not deed. There are many types of Christians. And those that were not Protestant like the Nazi's were much more likely to end up in the camps.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

People with Christian beliefs were in the concentration camps too.

By your logic if Muslims have killed Muslims, than obviously the Muslims don't kill based on religion.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

Like I said, no one worries about pissing of a christian. However, if Christian radicals (if there is such a think) showed up at 1100 Pennsylvania Ave and torched their building...

Oh, never mind.

IIRC thats what started the whole thing. A guy in Denmark also remarked about how overly sensitive we had to be regarding Muslims. An editor decided to take him up on it and asked for people to submit cartoons featuring Mohammed. And now things sit in their present situations.