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Gator1999
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Good idea...Done.
(And all the others that Carnival owns: Holland America, Cunard, P&O, Princess, Costa, AIDA, and Ibero Cruceros)
I'm guilty of this one for sure!
CA1900
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It's not courtesy, it's the law in most states. I wish the police would enforce it.
gulfstreameric
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flew a 10hrs 45 min trip at M0.83. At M0.85 would be 16 minutes faster. Difference ? Whole more fuel at landing and higher cruising altitudes, more pax comfort.
Let those clowns try to cut corners for their egos. Apparently their cockpit is so tense they can't wait to get out.
BTW if you want to call them, I have their flight dep. ##
Happy New Year and keep smiling, your in a plane !
Let those clowns try to cut corners for their egos. Apparently their cockpit is so tense they can't wait to get out.
BTW if you want to call them, I have their flight dep. ##
Happy New Year and keep smiling, your in a plane !
C-150ETOPS
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Low level aggravation. Not much time for both parties either way.
If you want really aggravate the most amount of other flights, get in your Avanti and climb up into the mid 30's southbound out of the Northeast for FL before the other 75 airliners.
A kid in a ballon up there wouldn't have screwed up everybody as bad as those guys did that morning (no it wasn't me, I was going home behind them and couldn't make any money going slower
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If you want really aggravate the most amount of other flights, get in your Avanti and climb up into the mid 30's southbound out of the Northeast for FL before the other 75 airliners.
A kid in a ballon up there wouldn't have screwed up everybody as bad as those guys did that morning (no it wasn't me, I was going home behind them and couldn't make any money going slower
)Holy crap, that's funny! Never heard that one before. Tricycle motor... hehehe.
coming out of south florida yesterday.......... made me chuckle ....i thought of this post when i heard it.......... atc to a eastbound a/c... say speed , .74 was the reply............ can you go any faster " sorry... no" swa say speed .78 ............. you guys know its coming........ swa slow to .74 ........... guy did not say anything except ........ slowing .74.......... but you could tell............... it was palatable
jeroom
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I'll take the phone # if you give it to me. I'll send them my resume, and I'm not a jerk.
BushwickBill
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The best is when this happens into SJC. Someone gets aggro about being behind a citation with so cal somewhere along the coast. We get vectored out of the way and they pass us. Then we land on rwy 29 and taxi into the ramp ahead of them. I don't care if they notice or not. I just don't understand captains that get blood boiling over going slow or waiting for anything. Take your big jet paycheck and chill.
I'm sure everyone's situation is different but it isn't like the people in the back will notice. I always try and do my best but in the end it isn't worth high blood pressure meds or sleepless nights.
Of course I am the one always saying mellow out dude or just relax or they don't pay us extra for that. You can find me sitting in the FBO with headphones on and distracting myself from FOX news and the high blood pressure medication club. I avoid uptight people like the plague and there is a bit of irony that I wound up in aviation. I can barely stand 1/2 of you.
I'm sure everyone's situation is different but it isn't like the people in the back will notice. I always try and do my best but in the end it isn't worth high blood pressure meds or sleepless nights.
Of course I am the one always saying mellow out dude or just relax or they don't pay us extra for that. You can find me sitting in the FBO with headphones on and distracting myself from FOX news and the high blood pressure medication club. I avoid uptight people like the plague and there is a bit of irony that I wound up in aviation. I can barely stand 1/2 of you.
I'm surprised the SWA guys weren't already doing .74
If you get slowed on the west coast, 90% of the time you are following SWA.
acpilot
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They do in Denver!
Ah yes, the 'Big Aircraft' captain/pilot. I love 'em.
Many years ago, when I was a Boeing 727 Captain for the United States Marshal Service, I had a little run in with a arrogant US Airways “BIG AIRPLANE” pilot flying a 737, yes a 737. At the time we were only using “N” and the aircraft number, we had been using Boeing XXX, but a new boss and new rules resulted in us using just the NXXX call sign. (Using the aircraft type in front of the number is standard in the US.)
Anyway, on with the story:
We were driving down some J-route on the East Coast at FL310 and the ATC conversation went like this.
ATC; “NXXX say mach.”
Little ole us; “Mach .81.”
ATC; “US Air XXX say mach.”
US Air XXX; “.74”
ATC; “US Air XXX can you increase to .80?”
US Air XXX; “Negative.”
ATC; “Can increase speed any?”
US Air XXX; “Negative.”
Having no luck with US Air ATC calls us and asked; “NXXX can you reduce to .74?”
Little ole us; “Well, yes we can if we have to.”
ATC; “Thanks, maintain .74.”
We agree to fly .74 and the 72 does not like to fly at .74, we are wallowing around and damn near using the same amount of fuel at .74 as we were at .81. Anyway a few minutes pass and ATC calls us again.
ATC; “NXXX are you at .74?”
Little ole us; “Yup.”
ATC; “US Air XXX say mach.”
US Air; “.74”
ATC; “NXXX you are still catching the US Air, can you reduce any more?”
My buddy in the right seat allows that we really don’t want to slow down anymore and asks if we can be vectored around the US Air flight. The controller thinks about this for a minute or two and makes a great decision.
ATC; “NXXX you can wrong way 330 and normal speed for a while until you pass the 737.”
Little ole us; “Yes sir we can do that.”
ATC; “NXXX maintain current speed until reaching FL330 and then resume normal speed, cleared to FL330.”
My buddy in the right seat reads back the clearance and I wake up the FE and get max. continuous EPR and off we go. Never being one to let sleeping dogs lie my buddy in the right seat calls ATC when we level at 330 (about a minute after we read back the climb clearance) and lets everybody on frequency know that we are accelerating to normal cruise speed. And our friend in the 73 decides that he just has to say something. (He does not know that we are in a 72.)
US Air XXX; “Sorry to inconvenience the little guy there.” (Said with a very condescending attitude.)
At this time I decide to exert some of that command stuff that I had been vested with and tell my buddy in the right seat that I will handle this call.
Little ole us: (me) “Oh that’s ok, you don’t have to apologize for flying a ‘Baby Boeing Speed Bump.”
Anyway we passed him doing about .87 mach (I was still at max. continuous) and a few minutes later ATC calls us.
ATC; “NXXX you are passed the flying speed bump and you can go back down to 310 now.”
Well, we had a good laugh over it. Don’t know about the ‘Big Airplane Pilot’.
Many years ago, when I was a Boeing 727 Captain for the United States Marshal Service, I had a little run in with a arrogant US Airways “BIG AIRPLANE” pilot flying a 737, yes a 737. At the time we were only using “N” and the aircraft number, we had been using Boeing XXX, but a new boss and new rules resulted in us using just the NXXX call sign. (Using the aircraft type in front of the number is standard in the US.)
Anyway, on with the story:
We were driving down some J-route on the East Coast at FL310 and the ATC conversation went like this.
ATC; “NXXX say mach.”
Little ole us; “Mach .81.”
ATC; “US Air XXX say mach.”
US Air XXX; “.74”
ATC; “US Air XXX can you increase to .80?”
US Air XXX; “Negative.”
ATC; “Can increase speed any?”
US Air XXX; “Negative.”
Having no luck with US Air ATC calls us and asked; “NXXX can you reduce to .74?”
Little ole us; “Well, yes we can if we have to.”
ATC; “Thanks, maintain .74.”
We agree to fly .74 and the 72 does not like to fly at .74, we are wallowing around and damn near using the same amount of fuel at .74 as we were at .81. Anyway a few minutes pass and ATC calls us again.
ATC; “NXXX are you at .74?”
Little ole us; “Yup.”
ATC; “US Air XXX say mach.”
US Air; “.74”
ATC; “NXXX you are still catching the US Air, can you reduce any more?”
My buddy in the right seat allows that we really don’t want to slow down anymore and asks if we can be vectored around the US Air flight. The controller thinks about this for a minute or two and makes a great decision.
ATC; “NXXX you can wrong way 330 and normal speed for a while until you pass the 737.”
Little ole us; “Yes sir we can do that.”
ATC; “NXXX maintain current speed until reaching FL330 and then resume normal speed, cleared to FL330.”
My buddy in the right seat reads back the clearance and I wake up the FE and get max. continuous EPR and off we go. Never being one to let sleeping dogs lie my buddy in the right seat calls ATC when we level at 330 (about a minute after we read back the climb clearance) and lets everybody on frequency know that we are accelerating to normal cruise speed. And our friend in the 73 decides that he just has to say something. (He does not know that we are in a 72.)
US Air XXX; “Sorry to inconvenience the little guy there.” (Said with a very condescending attitude.)
At this time I decide to exert some of that command stuff that I had been vested with and tell my buddy in the right seat that I will handle this call.
Little ole us: (me) “Oh that’s ok, you don’t have to apologize for flying a ‘Baby Boeing Speed Bump.”
Anyway we passed him doing about .87 mach (I was still at max. continuous) and a few minutes later ATC calls us.
ATC; “NXXX you are passed the flying speed bump and you can go back down to 310 now.”
Well, we had a good laugh over it. Don’t know about the ‘Big Airplane Pilot’.
semperfido
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So here is one for ya... I was in a Lear 35 and departed LAS (vegas) behind a Citation CJ. The controller said "maintain visual seperation with the departing citation, cleared for takeoff" I went to pass the CJ and the controller almost lost his marbles... He said maintain visual seperation... never said we couldn't pass him even though we were on the same departure.... figured it would solve the problem for both of us
BushwickBill
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Cj Snail trail...
jeroom
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I feel you!! you are my man...
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