Class Dates at Southern Air and Focus

[dakotaHC8]

Wait a sec, Gear Yanker...

You work for Kailtta, and you're giving people at any other ACMI crap...???

Are you serious...

The last thing I want to hear is some "pot" calling the "kettle" black.

Make yourself feel better about your own workplace (whichever version of the many Kalitta's out there you happen to be at) in some other fashion than knocking mine.

 

[gear_yanker]

Southern Training Agreement

TRAINING Reimbursement AGREEMENT

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This Training Reimbursement Agreement (“Agreement”) is made as of the___day of_______2007 by and between Southern Air Inc. (“the Company”) and ________________________, who upon execution of this agreement will be hired by the Company for a crewmember position as a pilot or flight engineer on aircraft operated by the Company (“Candidate”).
RECITALS
WHEREAS, Candidate has successfully completed the Company’s pilot/flight engineer training program for which the Company has expended a large sum of money and and time, to qualify Candidate to operate as a crewmember, and,
WHEREAS, successful completion of the training program has enhanced the aeronautical skills and techniques of the Candidate; and,
WHEREAS, Candidate and the Company agree that the cost incurred by the Company for the training program provided to Candidate was Twenty Four thousand($24,000) Dollars:
NOW THEREFORE, the Company and Candidate, in consideration of the covenants and agreements contained herein and in further consideration of the benefits and advantages flowing from each to the other, covenant and agree as follows:
1.
The Company will be unable to realize the value of the training provided to Candidate under this Agreement unless Candidate accepts employment by the Company and continues to operate the Company’s aircraft in revenue service as a crewmember for the Company for a period of at least twenty four(24) months.. Therefore, if Candidate accepts employment with the Company and thereafter resigns, or otherwise voluntarily terminates Candidate’s employment with the Company, or is discharged for failing to comply with rules and regulations established by the Company at any time within twenty four (24) months of active service following the date on which the Candidate is hired by the Company the Candidate agrees that the Candidate will repay the Company the sum of Twenty Four Thousand ($24,000) Dollars, reduced by 1/24th for each full month of Candidate’s employment with the Company prior to the date Candidate’s employment terminates, Such debt shall be further evidenced by the execution of a Promissory Note.

2.​

The Company shall have the right to apply any wages or other sums due to the Candidate upon termination of the Candidate’s employment toward the amount owed by the Candidate to the Company pursuant to the terms of this Agreement, and Candidate hereby expressly authorizes the Company to retain such sums for that purpose. Candidate will pay the remaining outstanding balance of the Candidates training costs on the date of termination.

3.​

Should Candidate fail to make payment as described above, the Company is entitled to the costs, attorney fees and related expenses incurred by the Company in connection with the Company’s collection of the outstanding balance owed by the Candidate to the Company.

4.​

The twenty-fourth (24th) month active service period running from the Candidate’s hiring by the Company, the completion of which will extinguish Candidate’s financial obligations to the Company under this Agreement, shall include any periods of involuntary furlough. Should Candidate voluntarily resign or be justifiably discharged by the Company after return from furlough, the time-credit given under this paragraph shall be void and returned to the Company. The twenty-four (24) month active service period shall not include any periods of medical leave during which Candidate is unable to fly as a result of illness or injury.

5.​

The Company will absorb the cost of training provided under this Agreement if its business is terminated while Candidate is actively employed by the Company or if Candidate dies before the completion of the twenty-fourth (24th) month active service period described herein or loses medical qualification for a period of more than twenty-four (24) months.

6.​

Except as expressly provided herein, this Agreement does not alter any of the existing terms and conditions of Candidate’s employment with the Company, during the period of the Candidate’s employment with the Company. The existence of any claim that Candidate may have against the Company based upon either this Agreement or upon Candidate’s employment with the Company will not serve as a defense to the enforcement by the Company of this Agreement

7.​

If this Agreement or any portion of it is held not to be enforceable, under the law, the Agreement will be deemed to be modified only to the extent necessary to be enforceable under the law.

8.​

This Agreement as well as the related Promissory Note shall be interpreted under the laws of the State of Connecticut. If Candidate fails to repay any amounts due under this Agreement and the Company is required to initiate legal action to collect the amount due, Candidate hereby expressly:
(a) Agrees to submit to jurisdiction and venue in the courts, state and federal, of Fairfield County, Connecticut for all purposes related to enforcing this Agreement and Promissory Note, regardless of Candidate’s residence at that time; and
(b) Consents to accept service of process as well as any pleading or motion related to enforcing this Agreement by the Company mailing, hand delivering, or overnight expressing a copy to the Candidate’s address.
For the purposes of service, the Candidate’s address shall be the last known address on file with the Company, and Candidate further agrees to inform the Company promptly and in writing of any and all change of candidate’s address, including those subsequent to Candidate’s resignation or discharge..

9.​

If Candidate’s employment with the Company is terminated and repayment is invoked in accordance with the provisions of this agreement and the Company agrees to accept monthly payments from the Candidate in lieu of a lump sum payment of the sum owed by the Candidate should the candidate fails to make timely monthly payments, the Company may elect to accelerate the unpaid balance of the sum due and declare the same payable at once on notice and demand.

10.​

This Agreement constitutes the entire understanding between the parties relating to the rights herein granted and the obligations assumed. Any oral representations of or modifications to this instrument shall be of no effect unless they are in writing, signed by both parties, and state explicitly an intent to modify this Agreement.

11.​

Failure to enforce any provision or obligation under this Agreement shall not constitute a waiver thereof, or serve as a bar to the subsequent enforcement of other provisions or obligations under this Agreement.

12.​

Candidate by Candidate’s execution of this agreement hereby accepts employment by the Company and agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement..This Agreement is not an employment contract and shall not be interpreted as a promise by the Company to employ Candidate for any length of time.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have executed this agreement as of the date set forth above.


________________________
Candidate


Southern Air Inc.

By:________________________

 

[gear_yanker]

Wait a sec, Gear Yanker...

You work for Kailtta, and you're giving people at any other ACMI crap...???

Who said I work for Kalitta? I did say Kalitta is a much better choice if someone is looking for a 747 job.

 

[Dream2fly]

So do u work for Southern or Not?

No, not at all. But I do have a problem when a management cheerleader comes on a public forum and tries to misrepresent the current situation at Southern.

Southern is not the place to work if you have any other options at all. You can fly the 747 somewhere else that upgrades just as fast. What's the difference? The other places DON'T REQUIRE YOU TO SIGN A TRAINING BOND!! And some of the other places even have a proper union and a contract with teeth. Southern has become an employer of last resort. Better than nothing, if you're already unemployed.

Your numbers concerning Captain qualified F/Os represent those hired prior to the training bond. The experience level of those hired since the implementation of the bond is much lower. There are just not many highly experienced guys around who are willing to soil the profession by signing a training bond to get a job at a bottom-feeder outfit like Southern.

The next time you say I don't know anything about Southern, I'll publish the full text of the training "agreement" for everyone to see. I bet that would slow the number of guys willing to travel to CT at their own expense. And I bet your "daddy" in Norwalk might not be too happy with you either.

So, Do U work for Southern or Not?
If yes- if you are not happy then leave!!!
If No - There are many people trying to enjoy what they have so Please be cool.
You don't have to tell me and other guys How my company is like.
Go yank the gear somewhere else.

I am trying to enjoy what I have.

 

[Dream2fly]

WOW I am impressed!!!

TRAINING Reimbursement AGREEMENT


This Training Reimbursement Agreement (“Agreement”) is made as of the___day of_______2007 by and between Southern Air Inc. (“the Company”) and ________________________, who upon execution of this agreement will be hired by the Company for a crewmember position as a pilot or flight engineer on aircraft operated by the Company (“Candidate”).
RECITALS
WHEREAS, Candidate has successfully completed the Company’s pilot/flight engineer training program for which the Company has expended a large sum of money and and time, to qualify Candidate to operate as a crewmember, and,
WHEREAS, successful completion of the training program has enhanced the aeronautical skills and techniques of the Candidate; and,
WHEREAS, Candidate and the Company agree that the cost incurred by the Company for the training program provided to Candidate was Twenty Four thousand($24,000) Dollars:
NOW THEREFORE, the Company and Candidate, in consideration of the covenants and agreements contained herein and in further consideration of the benefits and advantages flowing from each to the other, covenant and agree as follows:
1.
The Company will be unable to realize the value of the training provided to Candidate under this Agreement unless Candidate accepts employment by the Company and continues to operate the Company’s aircraft in revenue service as a crewmember for the Company for a period of at least twenty four(24) months.. Therefore, if Candidate accepts employment with the Company and thereafter resigns, or otherwise voluntarily terminates Candidate’s employment with the Company, or is discharged for failing to comply with rules and regulations established by the Company at any time within twenty four (24) months of active service following the date on which the Candidate is hired by the Company the Candidate agrees that the Candidate will repay the Company the sum of Twenty Four Thousand ($24,000) Dollars, reduced by 1/24th for each full month of Candidate’s employment with the Company prior to the date Candidate’s employment terminates, Such debt shall be further evidenced by the execution of a Promissory Note.

2.​

The Company shall have the right to apply any wages or other sums due to the Candidate upon termination of the Candidate’s employment toward the amount owed by the Candidate to the Company pursuant to the terms of this Agreement, and Candidate hereby expressly authorizes the Company to retain such sums for that purpose. Candidate will pay the remaining outstanding balance of the Candidates training costs on the date of termination.

3.​

Should Candidate fail to make payment as described above, the Company is entitled to the costs, attorney fees and related expenses incurred by the Company in connection with the Company’s collection of the outstanding balance owed by the Candidate to the Company.

4.​

The twenty-fourth (24th) month active service period running from the Candidate’s hiring by the Company, the completion of which will extinguish Candidate’s financial obligations to the Company under this Agreement, shall include any periods of involuntary furlough. Should Candidate voluntarily resign or be justifiably discharged by the Company after return from furlough, the time-credit given under this paragraph shall be void and returned to the Company. The twenty-four (24) month active service period shall not include any periods of medical leave during which Candidate is unable to fly as a result of illness or injury.

5.​

The Company will absorb the cost of training provided under this Agreement if its business is terminated while Candidate is actively employed by the Company or if Candidate dies before the completion of the twenty-fourth (24th) month active service period described herein or loses medical qualification for a period of more than twenty-four (24) months.

6.​

Except as expressly provided herein, this Agreement does not alter any of the existing terms and conditions of Candidate’s employment with the Company, during the period of the Candidate’s employment with the Company. The existence of any claim that Candidate may have against the Company based upon either this Agreement or upon Candidate’s employment with the Company will not serve as a defense to the enforcement by the Company of this Agreement

7.​

If this Agreement or any portion of it is held not to be enforceable, under the law, the Agreement will be deemed to be modified only to the extent necessary to be enforceable under the law.

8.​

This Agreement as well as the related Promissory Note shall be interpreted under the laws of the State of Connecticut. If Candidate fails to repay any amounts due under this Agreement and the Company is required to initiate legal action to collect the amount due, Candidate hereby expressly:
(a) Agrees to submit to jurisdiction and venue in the courts, state and federal, of Fairfield County, Connecticut for all purposes related to enforcing this Agreement and Promissory Note, regardless of Candidate’s residence at that time; and
(b) Consents to accept service of process as well as any pleading or motion related to enforcing this Agreement by the Company mailing, hand delivering, or overnight expressing a copy to the Candidate’s address.
For the purposes of service, the Candidate’s address shall be the last known address on file with the Company, and Candidate further agrees to inform the Company promptly and in writing of any and all change of candidate’s address, including those subsequent to Candidate’s resignation or discharge..

9.​

If Candidate’s employment with the Company is terminated and repayment is invoked in accordance with the provisions of this agreement and the Company agrees to accept monthly payments from the Candidate in lieu of a lump sum payment of the sum owed by the Candidate should the candidate fails to make timely monthly payments, the Company may elect to accelerate the unpaid balance of the sum due and declare the same payable at once on notice and demand.

10.​

This Agreement constitutes the entire understanding between the parties relating to the rights herein granted and the obligations assumed. Any oral representations of or modifications to this instrument shall be of no effect unless they are in writing, signed by both parties, and state explicitly an intent to modify this Agreement.

11.​

Failure to enforce any provision or obligation under this Agreement shall not constitute a waiver thereof, or serve as a bar to the subsequent enforcement of other provisions or obligations under this Agreement.

12.​

Candidate by Candidate’s execution of this agreement hereby accepts employment by the Company and agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement..This Agreement is not an employment contract and shall not be interpreted as a promise by the Company to employ Candidate for any length of time.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties hereto have executed this agreement as of the date set forth above.


________________________
Candidate


Southern Air Inc.

By:________________________

WOW, I am impressed....
You know so much about the company so U had to prove that U are the MAN.....
So Unprofessional.

 

[texarkana]

[FONT=Arial,sans-serif]Sorry to interrupt the warfare...I understand that SA wants time in a "Large Group II Transport Aircraft." What is that?
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[gear_yanker]

So Unprofessional.

Quite the opposite. What I am doing is trying to save some young commuter pilot from making the worst mistake of his or her life. There are plenty of opportunities in the 747 world that don't require a training bond. Choose your future wisely!

Did you sign the training bond as a condition of your employment at Southern???

Have you even taken the time to read the thing? It's really bad. Like the part about them firing you and you still owing the money. And guess what.....The discipline/discharge protections of the CBA don't apply to someone still on probation. Can you see some potential for abuse here?

I don't have a horse in this race. If you're happy working at Southern, then I'm happy for you. If you're considering employment at Southern, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

 

[Dream2fly]

Quite the opposite. What I am doing is trying to save some young commuter pilot from making the worst mistake of his or her life. There are plenty of opportunities in the 747 world that don't require a training bond. Choose your future wisely!

Did you sign the training bond as a condition of your employment at Southern???

Have you even taken the time to read the thing? It's really bad. Like the part about them firing you and you still owing the money. And guess what.....The discipline/discharge protections of the CBA don't apply to someone still on probation. Can you see some potential for abuse here?

I don't have a horse in this race. If you're happy working at Southern, then I'm happy for you. If you're considering employment at Southern, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

I don't think its really written by the Southern management. It is done by a lawyer or two.

I read similar types of training agreements at other airlines.

Southern is not the only one has it.

MESA used to have this also. I believe like Colgan and other commuters might.

IF it is your job to tell other pilots to take the job or not, U can tell them by informing them with better way. Other than bashing one company when there are plenty of pilots who works for Southern and other
companys like this.

That is Unprofessional

U don't have to say Sh!!ts about my company when I am trying to have fun.

 

[gear_yanker]

I don't think its really written by the Southern management. It is done by a lawyer or two.

Who wrote the thing is really irrelevant! All newhires are forced to sign it as a condition of employment.

I read similar types of training agreements at other airlines.

Southern is the only U.S. 747 operator that requires a training agreement! That really does place them in a league of their own and they deserve any and all criticism they get.

Did you sign the training agreement at Southern? If not, I'll tell Bill C. you have no problem with it and you'd be happy to sign one now. Your two years of indentured servitude can start today!

U don't have to say Sh!!ts about my company when I am trying to have fun.

How in the world does my saying something negative about Southern affect your ability to have fun?

Sometimes, when someone on an anonymous web board says something you don't like or you may disagree with, it is better to not respond and just let it go. By responding, you give the individual the opportunity to keep his issue alive and at the top of the forum, where everyone reads it.

 

[FearlessFreep]

_yanker,

Sometimes, when someone on an anonymous web board says something you don't like or you may disagree with, it is better to not respond and just let it go. By responding, you give the individual the opportunity to keep his issue alive and at the top of the forum, where everyone reads it.

So what does that say about you?

So you paid your $10.00 to join this forum (thankfully I joined before you had to pay). 85 - 95% of your posts have to do with bashing SAI. The rest is either just empty banter or positive strokes for Kalitta.

It's obvious that you were @ SAI and things did not go well for you. I can say that we ALL understand that these things can happen. I know that we all collectively keep our fingers crossed in that we ALL don't have to suffer, get hurt or face inordinate adversity in our careers or life for that matter.

Life is too short to continually ruminate on the negative. March forth in your life, get that bad stuff behind you, keep looking forward to the future.

I sincerely hope that you find much happiness & satisfaction at Kalitta. You guys are getting -400's and bunches of them before SAI. That should make you very happy that you went there. Tailwinds to you!

Go in peace brother! Happy Holidays!

Good Luck To Us All!

 

[gear_yanker]

_yanker,

So what does that say about you?

It says I'm a kind-hearted guy who's genuinely trying to help my fellow professional aviators. And I thank you for giving me yet another opportunity to warn everyone:

NEVER SIGN A TRAINING BOND TO GET A JOB ANYWHERE, ESPECIALLY AT AN OUTFIT LIKE SOUTHERN.

Merry Christmas!!

 

[Dream2fly]

It says I'm a kind-hearted guy who's genuinely trying to help my fellow professional aviators. And I thank you for giving me yet another opportunity to warn everyone:

NEVER SIGN A TRAINING BOND TO GET A JOB ANYWHERE, ESPECIALLY AT AN OUTFIT LIKE SOUTHERN.

Merry Christmas!!

That is so funny for a person who is bashing about your fellow professional aviators works for......
And, you are here to save people's lives. hahaha

 

[gear_yanker]

First, you tried to attack the message. You're really on the wrong side of the issue, so that got you nowhere.

Now, you're attacking the messenger. That won't get you anywhere either!

There is no defending an outfit like Southern requiring a training bond. They could easily retain more of their crews by treating them with respect. Southern will never stop the flow of guys to FedEx, UPS or Southwest, but they can keep them from making "lateral" moves just by giving them the days off they're due. Implementing the bond was management's way of continuing with "business as usual" by inhibiting a newhire's ability to resign if they are treated poorly. Despicable!

 

[Dream2fly]

First, you tried to attack the message. You're really on the wrong side of the issue, so that got you nowhere.

Now, you're attacking the messenger. That won't get you anywhere either!

There is no defending an outfit like Southern requiring a training bond. They could easily retain more of their crews by treating them with respect. Southern will never stop the flow of guys to FedEx, UPS or Southwest, but they can keep them from making "lateral" moves just by giving them the days off they're due. Implementing the bond was management's way of continuing with "business as usual" by inhibiting a newhire's ability to resign if they are treated poorly. Despicable!

Let those professional pilots get their heavy international times which are very valuable( I strongly believe) and then move on to next level.
If you are trying to be professional, think one more before giving precious advices to your fellow crewmembers who U care for.
Just because U think U have great understanding about the aviation does not give U right to bash about one company to steer Ur friends to a better places. I believe there is a little better ways if U choose to use ur thinking process little better.

U can say all the good things about ur favorite company Kalitta and hve ur friends decide.

We flight crewmembers learn everyday at work to make best decision when time is due. Either we have enough informations or not, we gamble sometimes for sucess.

In this industry, it is very hard to stay happy any places we go.

 

[Frozen Ronin]

Years ago I was a flight mechanic for Rosenbalm, then Rich Int'l. As a greasemonkey, only the captain was making more money. I made more than the F/O or PFE. Is that still the same?

Do they all fly with flight mechs? And are they making better money than the FO/FE?

Just curious.

Ronin