CL-30 Speculation?

[CelticCitation]

Anyone have any solid info they want to share about the block change happening to the CL-30? I have heard, starts with SN 408, INS, some other avionics upgrades. Anyone else have info?

 

[BoilerUP]

I'd bet Proline Fusion, INS, and 3400nm+ range.

 

[StarHustler]

I heard INS as an 'option' . Eventually, I heard they might stretch it some as the Engines are de-rated right now and could still be used on a stretch version.

 

[CelticCitation]

I wonder how much difference is gained in range by the g280 just from the newer engines? How hard would it be to bolt them on to a 300?

 

[t-bone]

I wonder how much difference is gained in range by the g280 just from the newer engines? How hard would it be to bolt them on to a 300?

Same HTF engines I believe, they've just been turned up to 11.

 

[Problow]

synthetic vision, ins is all i heard. there is a HUD that will fit but from what i hear bombardier hasn't jumped on the band wagon yet to get it in the airplane.

 

[CelticCitation]

Gulfstream is claiming 7-8% efficiency gain on their HTFs. 10 years down the development road. That percentage alone might gain 200 miles. Would be great to be able to reliably get from Anchorage to Japan.

 

[landlover]

they've just been turned up to 11.

:laugh:

 

[Cstyle]

What would be awesome is an autopilot that dosent fly the plane like drunken grizzly bear would. Worst Autopilot Ever!

 

[TRBojet]

Quit complainin', Celtic! You Challenger guys...

How's things on that side of the state? Better than before I would guess.

Take care.

 

[t-bone]

What would be awesome is an autopilot that dosent fly the plane like drunken grizzly bear would. Worst Autopilot Ever!

Agreed. That's my biggest complaint with the airplane. Isn't it fun watching the AP try to fly a localizer with anything more than 15 knots of crosswind???

 

[ttflyer]

I'd bet Proline Fusion, INS, and 3400nm+ range.

I've been told "updated Pro-Line 21" - not fusion. INS and 3,400nm range (with a few belly fuel tanks and a gross weight increase) are a good bet...

Surprised it wasn't announced at NBAA.

 

[Sandhawk]

Agreed. That's my biggest complaint with the airplane. Isn't it fun watching the AP try to fly a localizer with anything more than 15 knots of crosswind???

Then turn the A/P off and do some of that pilot sh!t...

 

[t-bone]

Then turn the A/P off and do some of that pilot sh!t...

Wow, why didn't I think of that? Thanks...

 

[ultrarunner]

Change starts with July deliveries....

Std equipment as follows:

1. Dual IRS's

2. 6200 FMS's

3. Synthetic vision on PL-21 displays

4. Dual chart servers.

5. Enhanced XM wx.

A few other minor enhancements. But that's the meat of it...

 

[cvgfrjcapt]

Same HTF engines I believe, they've just been turned up to 11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7IZZXQ89Oc

 

[Problow]

I don't know the number and have not done the research yet but I was recently told there is an SB out for the crappy autopilot.

 

[CelticCitation]

TRBo, night and day. Feels like the knife has been pulled out of my back.

 

[LongBoarder]

Change starts with July deliveries....

Std equipment as follows:

1. Dual IRS's

2. 6200 FMS's

3. Synthetic vision on PL-21 displays

4. Dual chart servers.

5. Enhanced XM wx.

A few other minor enhancements. But that's the meat of it...

I am in school right now... and I have heard all of these same things. Combined with the current engine turned up to 11.

 

[ttflyer]

I am in school right now... and I have heard all of these same things. Combined with the current engine turned up to 11.

No weight increase? What's the typical "full fuel" pax load? -4?

 

[LongBoarder]

No weight increase? What's the typical "full fuel" pax load? -4?

I do not know what our BOW is yet, but I have been told that they are all right around 24,000# and the MRamp is 39,k MTOW is 38,850 and the max fuel is 14,500. I am guessing that we might be a little more, only because of 3 life rafts and the larger bottle.

SF

 

[t-bone]

No weight increase? What's the typical "full fuel" pax load? -4?

~3 is right. Our BOWs are all right around 24300. Full fuel is 14150. Flying within the CONUS you'll find it a rare day that you need to top it off. East-west transcons with a full boat have yet to be an issue.

 

[Bleeds On]

If they add tanks for extra range, a MTOW increase is an absolute must. Entirely pointless otherwise. And if they increase MTOW, they'll have to increase MLW or add a fuel dump feature. Whatever they do, I'd go for a paper blessing for all these increases. On a side note, they now have a Link 2000+ solution ready. Cost depends on SN.

 

[t-bone]

Link 2000+?

Agreed on the MTOW increase...

 

[ttflyer]

~3 is right. Our BOWs are all right around 24300. Full fuel is 14150. Flying within the CONUS you'll find it a rare day that you need to top it off. East-west transcons with a full boat have yet to be an issue.

Yeah, ours are sub 24K, but they are early SNs... And they aren't exactly full seats / full fuel kind of airplanes. They also go out of the CG envelope aft limit before they hit MGTOW if you're not careful. I'd imagine newer (heavier) airplanes don't have that particular problem though.

My point is that if our early SNs are only 4 pax + full fuel airplanes, what happens when they add all the "new" stuff and don't increase the weight? Just curious..

 

[Bleeds On]

Link 2000+?

Agreed on the MTOW increase...

http://www.eurocontrol.int/services/link-2000-programme

In short, CPDLC req't for EU ops above FL285 as 7 Feb, '13(if you have a newer aircraft). VHF based IIRC whereas FANS 1/A is Sat.

 

[Sammy]

Spoke with writer from BC&A at NBAA who flew the G280. Said The 280 is the new benchmark for the supermid's. Just a supreme plane! A real Gulfstream in his words. The level of the block upgrade from Bombardier will depend on how well the 280 sales progress. However, if the CL300 is to remain the #1 supermid, it will need the Proline Fusion, auto throttles, more range, perhaps autobrakes and all the NextGen stuff.

 

[jonjuan]

Spoke with writer from BC&A at NBAA who flew the G280. Said The 280 is the new benchmark for the supermid's. Just a supreme plane! A real Gulfstream in his words. The level of the block upgrade from Bombardier will depend on how well the 280 sales progress. However, if the CL300 is to remain the #1 supermid, it will need the Proline Fusion, auto throttles, more range, perhaps autobrakes and all the NextGen stuff.

The dropped aisle is a big turnoff for many/most pax (not writers) as well as the lack of ramp presence relative to the CL300. Also with a 2-3 Million price delta, the owners often care more about the price than what's in the flight deck.

 

[LJ45]

Spoke with writer from BC&A at NBAA who flew the G280. Said The 280 is the new benchmark for the supermid's. Just a supreme plane! A real Gulfstream in his words. The level of the block upgrade from Bombardier will depend on how well the 280 sales progress. However, if the CL300 is to remain the #1 supermid, it will need the Proline Fusion, auto throttles, more range, perhaps autobrakes and all the NextGen stuff.

Heard something about the gear doors don't close all the way, design problem?

 

[Sammy]

The dropped aisle is a big turnoff for many/most pax (not writers) as well as the lack of ramp presence relative to the CL300. Also with a 2-3 Million price delta, the owners often care more about the price than what's in the flight deck.

Expect the official announcement at EBACE.