Citationshares lets 30 go

[Sparse]

To get this back on track, CS furloughed 24 and downgraded 9 Captains. Six pilots took the early out.

 

[Semore Butts]

I'll say it again Bafoon 19

Right now if I were you, I'd be feeling like a moron.

With the week the pilots have had all over the US do to the awful weather.

As opposed to your comments of how easy our jobs are, and how tough it is to be on management.

Baffoon 19, you are a worthless fool.

 

[Freedom]

Funny how Publishers sights MIA in his example...

There is no question that as things have gone along, some of the issues with cards have been changed, but the number if aircraft in the equation is not really the factor. It relates more to deadhead hours, aircraft utilization against residual value of share or aircraft value at end or disposal, type of aircraft, etc.. Flex has done a pretty good job as has Citation shares, but again like Netjets, there is an undefined symbiotic relationship in their case with the manufacturer. Avantair tries to be like that as pretty much the sole Piaggio user. Nevertheless, on their own, none of have been consistently profitable.
To give you some idea of impact, at MIA 40% of the general aviation traffic is Frac. Netjets is 80% of that. Flex is next with near 10% and then the rest are divided equally.
Ironically in a down economy, the flights are way down but the percentages are the same.

Which just so happens to be the Corporate Headquarters of both Ford and Harrison Union Busting Lawfirm and HIG, owners of Flight Options.

I think Santa just sent us a Christmas Present in the form of a little slip up by Bob19's butt buddy


Freedom is Not Free, it must be earned through the efforts of Brave Men, such as the Pilots of Flight Options. Carry On Gentlemen!

 

[flagshipper]

To get this back on track, CS furloughed 24 and downgraded 9 Captains. Six pilots took the early out.

Good to hear a few took the early out. my prayers are with those who are without a job this Christmas

 

[Publishers]

Freedom, I have been in South Florida since 1969, learned to fly at FLL and PMP, and have lived here off and on since. I came back here after EZ as a commercial transport aircraft trader/lessor, did airline certification work, had a flight attendant training school, and was a consultant for a number of companies, aviaton and not.
Back in the day, we sold our FBO and charter company to Corporate Wings and I had a long relationship in Columbus with EJA.
I have no dog in the fight but am a close watcher of the business. I was very interested in Ed's Dayjet concept, the XO model, and other different ideas.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Right now if I were you, I'd be feeling like a moron.

With the week the pilots have had all over the US do to the awful weather.

As opposed to your comments of how easy our jobs are, and how tough it is to be on management.

Baffoon 19, you are a worthless fool.

Seymour, I never feel like a moron, I've been far too successful in my endeavors standing up for pilots and the basic working employee over the years. What have you done Seymour, helped vote in a union? You've weakend the company Seymour.

I've made the effort and paid the price for stepping into management where I could make a difference. Have you?

When it comes to looking out for the best interest of the average employee, those that choose the union way and jeopardize the careers of all those around you out of selfishness and greed are the ones that I consider the closest definition of moron.

Unions only look out for themselves while the rest of the people are innocent bystanders and suffer the consequences for that greed.

 

[brokeflyer]

thread death please.

 

[F/O]

thread death please.

Agreed.....some CS guys are probably checking this thread for rumors. Take the non-pertinent squabbling elsewhere.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Agreed.....some CS guys are probably checking this thread for rumors. Take the non-pertinent squabbling elsewhere.

It's all pertinent though. CS had an opportunity to do what union shops can't. The were forced to adjust the workforce in a manner that made the best out of a horrible circumstance. When this happens at NJ later this year, watch the screaming on this board because seniority knows no fairness. There won't be voluntary packages, it will be strictly by the numbers and there isn't a single person on these boards that will find fairness in that.

 

[Fozzy]

I beg to differ.

There won't be voluntary packages, it will be strictly by the numbers and there isn't a single person on these boards that will find fairness in that.

"By the numbers", I find that the very fair.
Crawl back under your rock, and stop enjoying other peoples misery, or at least do it in silence.

 

[brokeflyer]

Reading Glasses Required?

Thread Death Please!!!

That Means do Not Reply Anymore

 

[Fozzy]

Reading Glasses Required?

Thread Death Please!!!

That Means do Not Reply Anymore

Seriously....
I respectfully suggest you start your own message board.

 

[brokeflyer]

you dont understand, this thread is pointless.

 

[Pervis]

Broke, nearly every thread on this forum is pointless. Your point is pointless. Since when do you decide when a conversation is over? If you're tired of it, don't open it.

 

[brokeflyer]

wow nice attitude....

 

[glasspilot]

He's right.

 

[Newkem]

All of the posters in here that fly and don't manage can't imagine how hard it is to balance the needs of the customer and the bottom line while making sure the operation is safe.

Any poster who flies and does not "manage" is a statistic waiting to happen. Crew resource management is as critical to flight safety as oxygen is to your brain cells. (if applicable)

B19, how can we take you seriously? You have such a disdain for flight crew. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to manage (Captain) a jet aircraft without or with passengers, and to make sure the operation is safe at all times? Cavu is one thing, but IFR, winter, contingencies, etc? You DO NOT HAVE A CLUE! (apparently.) Why the anti-flight crew attitude bee one niner? Without us, what would YOU have to manage?

Why be so condescending, and such a (hate to say it again but, well it is so appropo...) dooshbag?

 

[Freedom]

Completely out of touch with reality...

It's all pertinent though. CS had an opportunity to do what union shops can't. The were forced to adjust the workforce in a manner that made the best out of a horrible circumstance. When this happens at NJ later this year, watch the screaming on this board because seniority knows no fairness. There won't be voluntary packages, it will be strictly by the numbers and there isn't a single person on these boards that will find fairness in that.

Completely by the numbers means the last hired is the first layed off. I cannot think of a fairer system out there. I don't have to spend my life wondering if I kissed enough Bob19s of the world asses to keep my job when the downsizing happens. I also don't have to sit there in disgust and watch those that have kissed the likes of Bob19's ass, keep their jobs, while those senior to them lose theirs.

You don't like the Seniority System Bob19 because it takes away your ability to pick and chose who stays and who goes, or as been said before, let you play God.

Having to layoff by seniority also forces Management to do so only as a last resort when looking for places to cut, since going by seniority often will cause additional training costs.

Don't think it can happen at a Non Union shop? Just look at the picking and choosing they did at XOJet.

Want another example? How about the Pilots that were reduction in forced at Flight Options out of Seniority? It was only when the Teamsters Int'l came in and threatened to shut the company down with lawsuits, that those Pilots got their jobs back. When it came time to layoff for real business needs instead of an attack on the Union, Options did it from the bottom up. I can assure, had there not been a Union at Options, the bottom up thing would have never happened.

A wise Union Leader once told me that the reason Management often fights so hard against Unions has just as much to do with Control, as it does Money. I think we can all certainly see that statement to be true, when we read Bob19's Posts.

Let me tell you what Bob19 says to himself each night before he goes to sleep (how he sleeps, I do not know):

You ask me if I'm God? I am God.


Freedom is Not Free

 

[steelersrule74]

I'm curious and this is not meant to sound smug BUT at the fracs who've furloughed I have a question. Did management approach the pilots ahead of time, enlist their support in cost saving measures and attempt to delay or stop any furloughs from happening? Or did they just pull the plug?

 

[B19 Flyer]

Completely by the numbers means the last hired is the first layed off. I cannot think of a fairer system out there. I don't have to spend my life wondering if I kissed enough Bob19s of the world asses to keep my job when the downsizing happens. I also don't have to sit there in disgust and watch those that have kissed the likes of Bob19's ass, keep their jobs, while those senior to them lose theirs.

You don't like the Seniority System Bob19 because it takes away your ability to pick and chose who stays and who goes, or as been said before, let you play God.

Having to layoff by seniority also forces Management to do so only as a last resort when looking for places to cut, since going by seniority often will cause additional training costs.

Don't think it can happen at a Non Union shop? Just look at the picking and choosing they did at XOJet.

Want another example? How about the Pilots that were reduction in forced at Flight Options out of Seniority? It was only when the Teamsters Int'l came in and threatened to shut the company down with lawsuits, that those Pilots got their jobs back. When it came time to layoff for real business needs instead of an attack on the Union, Options did it from the bottom up. I can assure, had there not been a Union at Options, the bottom up thing would have never happened.

A wise Union Leader once told me that the reason Management often fights so hard against Unions has just as much to do with Control, as it does Money. I think we can all certainly see that statement to be true, when we read Bob19's Posts.

Let me tell you what Bob19 says to himself each night before he goes to sleep (how he sleeps, I do not know):

You ask me if I'm God? I am God.


Freedom is Not Free

Let me give you an example of a fairer system out there. Pilots are offered packages and attrition is first voluntary, then by seniority/downgrades. Unions don't work that way, packages and voluntary aren't an option.

And yes, the management fight against unions is about control, but the "control" is to keep the company as a viable entity which is not what the union wants. All the union wants is the money and could care less about the rest of the company or how long it exists. Watch the upcoming year at NJ, it should be quite a ride.