CHQ's CO ERJs grounded?

[flyboy06]

Anyone have info on this, word is they attempted to rotate and got nothing out of JFK..I guess the cables were stretched too much...

Any other mechanical gust lock ERJ drivers hear about this?

 

[paulsalem]

Anyone have info on this, word is they attempted to rotate and got nothing out of JFK..I guess the cables were stretched too much...

Any other mechanical gust lock ERJ drivers hear about this?

They now have to visually check the elevator for movement before every flight.

 

[norskman2]

Anyone have info on this, word is they attempted to rotate and got nothing out of JFK..I guess the cables were stretched too much...

Dumb question: what do you do in a situation like that, since VR occurs after V1?

 

[Minimaniac]

Not a CO 145 specific thing... Certain aircraft had a certain part in the elevator control system that developed an issue. Most of the CHQ 145's were produced with a different part and are unaffected. I believe it was 11 aircraft that were temporarily grounded until a suitable means of inspection was found. All is well. Now let's all go back to our regulaly scheduled GoJet bashing...

 

[paulsalem]

Dumb question: what do you do in a situation like that, since VR occurs after V1?

You have no other option then abort, and hope you stay on the runway. They were lucky it happened on a 14,000 foot runway.

Well...I guess you could keep chugging along at T/O power, if you were having a bad day.

 

[Axel]

Yes. Your options are somewhat limited if, for whatever reason, the airplane won't fly.

 

[John Pennekamp]

In other words, it's time to do some of that pilot sh-t. They don't teach you what to do when the checklist no longer applies at Riddle.

 

[CFI2766]

"Captain, your controls...."

 

[T-prop]

Eagle switched their ERJs to hydraulic gust locks. They realized the cable stretching would become a problem years ago. I'm surprised it didn't become a mandatory modification across the fleet.

 

[BOHICAgain]

"Captain, your controls...."

Stomp on your brakes and break out the thrust reverse and hope the concrete is still under the airplane when it stops. Go to a holding pad for a long time to cool your brakes down

 

[scarlet]

ERJ=Airbus=CHEAP!!!

 

[CFI2766]

Stomp on your brakes and break out the thrust reverse and hope the concrete is still under the airplane when it stops. Go to a holding pad for a long time to cool your brakes down

Was obviously kidding...thanks fer the advice, tho.Nah, It's been over a year since I've had to use the actual brakes. Repeat after me: 'Beta is cool.'

 

[flyboy06]

Eagle switched their ERJs to hydraulic gust locks. They realized the cable stretching would become a problem years ago. I'm surprised it didn't become a mandatory modification across the fleet.

I don't think its hydraulic (i think you meant electrical), but XJT also changed these out a while ago.

 

[Cardinal]

Dumb question: what do you do in a situation like that, since VR occurs after V1?

The Carrie Underwood Maneuver: "Jesus Take the Wheeeeeel"

 

[Baronman]

Yeah, my understanding is that the Chautauqua planes have the old mechanical gust lock. That combined with the real strong winds in the northeast the last week or two caused the problem.

Those aircraft with the electric gust lock won't experience the problem.

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Not all the CHQ planes have the mechanical gust lock. It's been awhile, but I think it was the first 20 or so had the mechanical then they all started coming with the electrical. I had an instance of a dead spot on the yoke once. It occured around 140-145 knots, and the yoke had about 3-5 inches of movement with no response from the jet. I never heard what the fix was, but they took it out of service for awhile.

 

[Rally]

My understanding is at most airlines don't you abort if "loss of control" happens even after V1. Don't take a bad bird into the sky right?

 

[CargoATRdriver]

My understanding is at most airlines don't you abort if "loss of control" happens even after V1. Don't take a bad bird into the sky right?

Oh my...... lets think... what are the options? How do you take it into the air.... if you pull back and nothing happens???? but its after V1.... uh...

 

[Stiffler]

Oh my...... lets think... what are the options?

Join NASCAR and keep the left rudder pushed down. Win the cup. Celebrate with smokin hot chicks. Repeat as necessary.

 

[DrewBlows]

Dumb question: what do you do in a situation like that, since VR occurs after V1?

If there is no response when you pull back on the yoke you have to wish the airplane into the air. You are probably not going fast enough, maybe another 20 knots will do the trick.

On a serious note...don't you have a flight control synoptic page to verify elevator movement?

 

[paulsalem]

If there is no response when you pull back on the yoke you have to wish the airplane into the air. You are probably not going fast enough, maybe another 20 knots will do the trick.

On a serious note...don't you have a flight control synoptic page to verify elevator movement?

I don't think it does. So your not really checking the flight controls, just that the yoke moves.

 

[siucavflight]

On a serious note...don't you have a flight control synoptic page to verify elevator movement?

On the EMB? No no page to verify movement.

 

[beagle pilot]

In other words, it's time to do some of that pilot sh-t. They don't teach you what to do when the checklist no longer applies at Riddle.

As clear an explanation about the difference between experience and education as I've seen in quite a while.

 

[aewanabe]

Yeah, my understanding is that the Chautauqua planes have the old mechanical gust lock. That combined with the real strong winds in the northeast the last week or two caused the problem.

Those aircraft with the electric gust lock won't experience the problem.

Also been awhile, but ony 15 or so of the EMBs still had the mechanical gust lock when I left CHQ. Most were either delivered new with the electric lock or retrofitted. As a side note, I always cringed when I got in a mechanical-lock jet on a windy day; almost had my nose taken off when one let go while I was depositing my brain-bag.

 

[Caveman]

"Captain, your controls...."

Thanks! I needed a good laugh! Except now I gotta clean the coffee off my keyboard..... :laugh:

 

[Caveman]

ERJ=Airbus=CHEAP!!!

Spoken by a guy that's flown neither one of them. Yeah, that mighty Canadair has never had a problem, right? BTW, make sure you check those flaps between every flight. You never know when something might have twisted. Oh and don't switch the bleeds too quickly either. Had any nosewheel steering faults lately? How about flap failures? How many MEL'd APU's have you had? Should I go on?

I flew the CRJ and loved every minute of it but it was flawed too. No airplane is perfect.

 

[vectorvictor]

The Carrie Underwood Maneuver: "Jesus Take the Wheeeeeel"

I just spit up egg nog.

 

[markminus100]

Eagle switched their ERJs to hydraulic gust locks. They realized the cable stretching would become a problem years ago. I'm surprised it didn't become a mandatory modification across the fleet.

do you mean electro-mechanical?

 

[ToiletDuck]

They now have to visually check the elevator for movement before every flight.

Says who? What do you do go to the back and have the Captain pull back and forth on the stick while you scream over the APU if things are working ok?

You can feel the elevator moving if you do your control checks. Guess it's time I start reading those stupid memos. If they'd quit sending 100 a month over dumb crap and calling it important I might take notice.

 

[paulsalem]

Says who? What do you do go to the back and have the Captain pull back and forth on the stick while you scream over the APU if things are working ok?

You can feel the elevator moving if you do your control checks. Guess it's time I start reading those stupid memos. If they'd quit sending 100 a month over dumb crap and calling it important I might take notice.

A friend who flys for them. That's what we have to do in the CRJ when the EICAS indicator is deffered. I usually say, count to 10, then go full up, then full down, then repeat.