CHQ Upgrade

[flighttime]

Most junior upgrade award:

CRJ CA CRP
Hire date 02/27/06

 

[The Drizzle]

The 170 started to go pretty junior as well, well under 3 years.

 

[huncowboy]

That above is effective January 1 2008 though. So 23 months but it will come down for a while well below 2 years on the 145 and on the CRJ.

 

[BlackPilot628]

It surprised the hell out of me. Looks like the mid 2006 guys got hired at the sweet time. Right at 1 year 6 month upgrades.

 

[huncowboy]

It surprised the hell out of me. Looks like the mid 2006 guys got hired at the sweet time. Right at 1 year 6 month upgrades.

Especially on the CHQ side. Since hiring into the E145 was slow during 2005 (especially during the 2nd half of 2005 which is coming up right about now) upgrade time will go further down assuming most E170 FOs will stick to the E170. I am sure most will because the 170 is a usefull type. Switching planes means longer class and may be longer IOE wait. The 170 is more money. And who likes to train into another plane as a CA when you have never flown it? Most don't.

 

[Airline Driver]

According to some of the managment people in corporate, 2008 is going to be an interesting year. That's just rumor and obviously you can't believe everything you hear, but things are sure buzzing over there!!

 

[AV1ATRX]

According to some of the managment people in corporate, 2008 is going to be an interesting year. That's just rumor and obviously you can't believe everything you hear, but things are sure buzzing over there!!

Could you elaborate on what that might be?

 

[flyer172r]

Switching planes means longer class and may be longer IOE wait.

It also means an illegal bypass since the company doesn't want to put anyone through the full class for a new certificate/type.

 

[huncowboy]

It also means an illegal bypass since the company doesn't want to put anyone through the full class for a new certificate/type.

Very true.

 

[Flying Illini]

I plan on taking the 145 as it will come up first. Not sure what you mean by "more useful type" but I feel that the 145 is just as useful, if not moreso (100+ Legacy a/c out there on the corp side) as the 170...and I can always bid into that when the seat lock expires though you can never bid down to the 145 from the 170.

 

[mokitty]

To each their own, however, IMHO if you are looking for advancement, always take the first upgrade available. Sometimes the music stops, and you don't want to be left out (or in the right/wrong seat).

 

[Airline Driver]

Could you elaborate on what that might be?

Bigger planes. Revamping the size of the planes for some on the code shares. 190's on the property by sometime in 08. The typical rumors already spread around. They just put it in these words. "2008 is going to be an interesting year". I guess only time will tell

 

[RP170]

Bigger planes. Revamping the size of the planes for some on the code shares. 190's on the property by sometime in 08.

That's the absolute worst thing that could happen in the airline industry.

 

[huncowboy]

Not sure what you mean by "more useful type"

Airways and JetBlue operates the 190. May be others will too. May be not. The 145 surely won't be flow anywhere where a regional pilot would want to go next. That is what I meant. I agree, it is not worth the extra wait still there are some advantages IMO.

 

[Sir Innocenti]

Bigger planes. Revamping the size of the planes for some on the code shares. 190's on the property by sometime in 08. The typical rumors already spread around. They just put it in these words. "2008 is going to be an interesting year". I guess only time will tell

What they're implying is these 190's DO NOT belong at the regional level......JB and US are LCC/Majors!!!!

 

[BlackPilot628]

Especially on the CHQ side. Since hiring into the E145 was slow during 2005 (especially during the 2nd half of 2005 which is coming up right about now) upgrade time will go further down assuming most E170 FOs will stick to the E170. I am sure most will because the 170 is a usefull type. Switching planes means longer class and may be longer IOE wait. The 170 is more money. And who likes to train into another plane as a CA when you have never flown it? Most don't.

You would be surprised. There were a lot of E170 FO's out of CMH and ATL that took a E145 slot based on location. I few of these people live in NYC, CMH, and SDF. I would have taken the E145 had it beein in GSO. (Would close when I arrived )

I did get my second choice which was PHL Capt. My first was to stay in ATL as a Capt.

 

[inbound]

We all know your first choice was STL JBALL

 

[IronCityBlue]

Bigger planes. Revamping the size of the planes for some on the code shares. 190's on the property by sometime in 08. The typical rumors already spread around. They just put it in these words. "2008 is going to be an interesting year". I guess only time will tell

Who would you fly the 190's for? Is Airways giving them up? Delta doesn't make sense with their 76 seat limitation, as the E175 is plenty big enough even with a first class. Does Frontier allow the E190? Who could it even possibly be?

 

[tscarecrow]

This just in... look for a big announcement at this years corporate Xmas party!

 

[BoilerUP]

This just in... look for a big announcement at this years corporate Xmas party!

Heh...I don't even work there and know that joke...

 

[BcPilot99]

Well...The 190's will be for the new southwest codeshare....and the word around the crew room is that we are ordering twenty new 76.5 seat spaceships for the new virgin galactic codeshare...


Not to mention they will change the performance data on all and make us study and take the tests on our own time!!!( sorry a lil irritated about that .....chq guys know what I am talking about)

 

[Airline Driver]

Who would you fly the 190's for? Is Airways giving them up? Delta doesn't make sense with their 76 seat limitation, as the E175 is plenty big enough even with a first class. Does Frontier allow the E190? Who could it even possibly be?

Rumors are Frontier, Delta, Usair as of now. As I stated before they are just rumors. If it comes to fruition then it was ment to be, If it is all just speculation and stays speculation then It was not ment to be. I am not about to predict anything what is going to happen will and only time will tell.

 

[Airline Driver]

You would be surprised. There were a lot of E170 FO's out of CMH and ATL that took a E145 slot based on location. I few of these people live in NYC, CMH, and SDF. I would have taken the E145 had it beein in GSO. (Would close when I arrived )

I did get my second choice which was PHL Capt. My first was to stay in ATL as a Capt.

Blackie, are you in PHL now or in limbo waiting on training??? I just Finished up in STL and I'm waiting on IOE. See You in PHL..

 

[Airline Driver]

That's the absolute worst thing that could happen in the airline industry.

Perhaps........ The Same thing was said about the 170's & 175's. Only time will tell. The future is the future and what happens happends.

 

[Airline Driver]

What they're implying is these 190's DO NOT belong at the regional level......JB and US are LCC/Majors!!!!

Thank you kind Sir for that clarification, I will sleep better tonight knowing that!!

 

[RP170]

Rumors are Frontier, Delta, Usair as of now. As I stated before they are just rumors. If it comes to fruition then it was ment to be, If it is all just speculation and stays speculation then It was not ment to be. I am not about to predict anything what is going to happen will and only time will tell.

Airways = No. They have their own 190's flown by mainline pilots.

Delta = No. 76 seat scope clause.

Frontier = Not sure about their scope language but I doubt this would be allowed by their pilot's contract.

The only way I could see this happening would be if BB decides to operate them independently as a Republic Airways brand.

Who knows. I'm off to the fractional side of flying though because of crap like this potentially happening. Being an airline pilot as a career has been ruined by weak scope allowing these large (170/175/190) RJ's to replace mainline aircraft flown at pathetic wages. That and greedy management.

 

[Popeye0537]

Airways = No. They have their own 190's flown by mainline pilots.

Delta = No. 76 seat scope clause.

Frontier = Not sure about their scope language but I doubt this would be allowed by their pilot's contract.

The only way I could see this happening would be if BB decides to operate them independently as a Republic Airways brand.

Who knows. I'm off to the fractional side of flying though because of crap like this potentially happening. Being an airline pilot as a career has been ruined by weak scope allowing these large (170/175/190) RJ's to replace mainline aircraft flown at pathetic wages. That and greedy management.

Enjoy Netjets....I know who you are now....Muhaaaaa Muhaaaaa

 

[RP170]

Enjoy Netjets....I know who you are now....Muhaaaaa Muhaaaaa

Thanks man. I'm looking forward to it. I wish all of you the best.

 

[Airline Driver]

Airways = No. They have their own 190's flown by mainline pilots.

Delta = No. 76 seat scope clause.

Frontier = Not sure about their scope language but I doubt this would be allowed by their pilot's contract.

The only way I could see this happening would be if BB decides to operate them independently as a Republic Airways brand.

Who knows. I'm off to the fractional side of flying though because of crap like this potentially happening. Being an airline pilot as a career has been ruined by weak scope allowing these large (170/175/190) RJ's to replace mainline aircraft flown at pathetic wages. That and greedy management.

Airways......MMMMM I would not rush to the conclusion of an Adimate "NO". I have been told by many Mainline Pilots that the 190 is not in their future. Parker wants an all Airbus Fleet anyway. It will be interesting to see what the future Holds with Airways.

Netjets is one of the better Fractional companies to work for. I have friends there and they love it!! Good luck and Fly Safe.

 

[Minimaniac]

Airways = No. They have their own 190's flown by mainline pilots.

Delta = No. 76 seat scope clause.

Frontier = Not sure about their scope language but I doubt this would be allowed by their pilot's contract.

The only way I could see this happening would be if BB decides to operate them independently as a Republic Airways brand.

Who knows. I'm off to the fractional side of flying though because of crap like this potentially happening. Being an airline pilot as a career has been ruined by weak scope allowing these large (170/175/190) RJ's to replace mainline aircraft flown at pathetic wages. That and greedy management.

US Airways: Recently signed an order for numerous large aircraft. The number of these larger and better paying aircraft exceeds the number of 190's planned. This means if the 190's were sold (and who isn't looking for cash now with the credit crunch... got to pay for those A340s somehow) there would still be a net increase in jobs at mainline. The 190 does not count towards the minimum fleet size specified in the pilot contract, and US Airways management has shown they have no problem selling off their small aircraft. US Airways bean counters know they will not see great economics in a fleet of only 25 aircraft that share no common parts with the rest of the fleet. Oh, and don't expect a lot of resistance from the mainline pilot group...especially from those who stand to make an extra 30,000 or more a year flying something bigger than the 190.

Delta: A little late to the party, but they finally jumped in on those 175's. If they are interested in growing their fleet of E-jets in number and capacity now, then I would take that as intent to grow the fleet even further as the opportunity arises.

Frontier: Not performing extremely well financially, though not failing either. But, a little financial crunch never hurt when managements wants to give away some of your future flying to a lower priced competitor/partner. Add in the potential for RAH and Frontier to become even closer in the not-so-distant future, and you can see the desire to add in a middle of the road sized aircraft to the overall fleet as the company looks to diversify itself.

190's are coming to RAH, and there is nothing the RAH pilot group can do to stop it. The only hope to keep 190's out of the hands of underpaid regional pilots is for the mainline pilots to stop giving up scope. Don't blame those who are handed the airplanes by their management, blame those who gave them up.