CHQ or ASA

[mkingmei]

Is there a pool?

Does anyone know for sure if there is still a pool at ASA or did they dump it?
I thought I saw something on here about it being flushed and started over with the new round of interviews.

 

[TWAER]

Re: ASA

go with asa. chq is done adding aircraft (except for a couple more with dl) with turbulent times ahead. usairs forcast isnt great, and the expresses are going to be slimmed down to 2.

Either company would be fine but I can tell you CHQ is not done taking delivery of aircraft. Look for a good chance of at least one more code share and more than a few A/C for Delta. As far as airways goes, they will need all the regional help they can get if they are going to make it. They may slim down to 2, but they will probably be out of business by then. If that were to happen, I would look for Delta to pick up most of those A/C. But then again anything is possible. Take the first job you can get. Seniority is everything..

 

[GFunk20]

GSO and SDF are considered junior bases, and new hires get in there with no trouble. (liked or not!)

I'd go with Chautauqua. QQL is great, upgrade is decent, and despite the Airways situation, it looks like great opportunities ahead. Tons of JFK flying was rewarded to us by Delta.

Not to mention you have 3 code shares and 10 bases to choose from!

IND
CMH
STL
PHL
BUF
LGA
GSO
SDF
MCO
RIC

 

[NoName]

tons of delta flying??? A few new routes with 1 or 2 flights a day isnt tons...

1 or 2 new codeshares??? WHO?

 

[79%N1]

On the ASA side, if you want to think pay, ASA second year pay is almost what FO pay Tops out at CHQ. And that is our old contract. As for the comment that if Usair tanks, Delta will just add all the jets to the Delta side is simply not true, and mostly wishfull thinking! Delta is just not going to invent flying to take on a bunch of jets that suddenly come available. I know CHQ folks are so proud of themselves for all of their code-shares and growth, but they only got Delta flying that basically ASA and Comair did not want to do additionally due to the low yields of the cities given up.....and then a bunch of DFW flying that ASA could not cover quick enough when the emb120's were retired. CHQ was able to step in and provide service. Look for ASA to eventually get this flying back. If a code-share tanks for CHQ, they will be hurting!

 

[jumppilot]

If a code-share tanks for CHQ, they will be hurting!

Not necessairly. If a code-share tanked, CHQ mgmt would do everything in their power to take care of the problem.

I'm sure if need be CHQ could offer a "50% off" sale if it came down to that...The benefit of being a contract carrier. CHQ can provide the same serive ASA or Comair does, but with any carrier interested in regional feed. They are not tied to one mothership.

But I'm just a pilot, I don't know how the inner workings of code shares work. But I do know there will always be a need for an independant contract carrier.

 

[Anaconda]

It appears ASA is going to get a lot of jets from the latest RFP, but Chautauqua is very aggressive with finding flying and they too are growing at a fast pace.

based on what information?

 

[TWAER]

RIGHT!! Believe what you want but unless you are part of management, forcasting the demise of CHQ is wishfull thinking for you guys. HERE WE GO AGAIN! Another thread about having someone wanting useful info on two airlines and turning into the "oh when we want the flying back, we will take it and CHQ will be in a world of hurt". Wishfull thinking but has it ever occured to you that we are actually a good regional airline. People are happy here and want this company to do well. You know what, I am proud of the growth at CHQ. Do you think I would would be proud if I were still stuck in a j-ball? If airways tanks, which I think they will, I have no reason to think the 30 or so planes will find a home. Do you not think if Airways folds, there will be a need for another airline to fill in the gaps. This will be additional flying by Delta, United, whoever. Someone will have to fill in the void.

If you want more info on CHQ go to CHQLOUNGE.com. Maybe then the thread won't turn into a we hate CHQ forum.

 

[OldManPilot]

I am always amazed at the pissing contest that begins between pilots any time somebody wants an opinion.

Everyone is proud of their company, but our job is to fly people from point A to point B safely and efficiently as possible.

As was earlier meantioned seniority is the name of the game. I would say go to whichever will get you the earliest seniority number.

As for comments about CHQ. Nobody knows what shape CHQ will be in if US Airways goes belly up. One thing is for sure, there will be a lot of pilots on the street looking for work. If you can get into a class with either airline, I would do it quickly.

One advantage with CHQ is a proven track record for being able to come in and get the job done. We have 3 code share partners, and our management is always looking for growth.

I personally like the idea of not having all your eggs in one basket.

Good luck with which ever ariline you can get hired with.

 

[TWAER]

I know CHQ folks are so proud of themselves for all of their code-shares and growth, but they only got Delta flying that basically ASA and Comair did not want to do additionally due to the low yields of the cities given up.....and then a bunch of DFW flying that ASA could not cover quick enough when the emb120's were retired. CHQ was able to step in and provide service. Look for ASA to eventually get this flying back. If a code-share tanks for CHQ, they will be hurting!

After reading this again and forcing myself to stop laughing, I had to respond. I hate to tell you that Comair Wanted the MCO flying just as much as all the other airlines that bid on it(ACA TSA MESA CHQ and so on). LOW Yields??? ARE YOU JOKING?? Have you been on any MCO flights lately. You may get some DFW flying back but it will be due only for the fact that we will be adding more flights in and out of JFK. Look at it this way, if one of our code shares tank, yes it will hurt. If you code share tanks, you cease to exist in most likelyhood. And I would never wish that upon anyone in the line of work.

 

[sweptback]

LOW Yields??? ARE YOU JOKING?? Have you been on any MCO flights lately.

Yields are not related to the loads... it's possible for the airplane to be full and still be losing money.

Typically, the Florida market is dominated by price-sensitive leisure travelers, which is not really the target market of most airlines.

 

[79%N1]

After reading this again and forcing myself to stop laughing, I had to respond.

Laugh all you want, but your statement showed your complete ignorance of the airline industry! Not to mention ---- you are flat out wrong! I know, FOR A FACT, that the reason CHQ was awarded a contract with Delta - initially for the fla. MCO stuff, was that the yields were low and Mother Delta wanted to utilize ASA and mostly Comair more efficiently. CHQ was used because they wanted to maintain market presence and CHQ could DO IT CHEAPLY!! And fact 2 was to cover ASA's retired Brazilias in DFW! You CANNOT argue these points because they are fact. I dont care what the loads are. Ask Usairways management about the low yields in Florida.

I dont want to get in a pissing match with you. I have numerous friends at CHQ, but it cracks me up when you say with a straight face that you are all so proud of your growth, when the only reason for it is you continue to offer your company the ability to bid low because you will work cheap. You also cannot argue that. You guys voted in your contract and won some important contract victories in QOL and job security. That was great....but, you are still compensated considerably less than Comair and ASA pilots. That is also a fact.

What really cracks me up is how you all say we'll be fine if a code-share tanks, because we'll just bid 50 % lower and pick up a new partner, or undercut someone to get more jets placed at Delta or wherever......if your proud of growing like that, well.......
But hey, every man for himself, huh?

 

[g159av8tor]

Typically, the Florida market is dominated by price-sensitive leisure travelers, which is not really the target market of most airlines.

Are you serious? East coast and Florida is the highest yielding routes in the country.

 

[ERJDRVR]

CHQ is in talks with UAL right now to fill Dulles flying.


Unlike ASA/Comair, we are spread out and diversified. If US Air tanks, another major will need that feed. That leaves all NON-WHOLLY-OWNED carriers to pick it up.
We, like TSA, MESA, AIR WHISKY, etc can do what W/O's can't.


Pick the 1st class. PERIOD. Seniority is 92% of the game. They are both great company's.

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Just an FYI...


TWA....gone.... AMR picked us up

America West CMH based closed..... Delta picked up the flying.


The feed is always needed no matter who does it.........

 

[NoName]

the chq ual rumor has been around for almost a year now and hasnt sprouted any legs...i have no idea how it continues to come back, but it hasnt happened yet, and most likely wont.

PS. the arrogance of WO is unbelievable. and i for one am tired of comair +1 talk, just do it, and quit telling us and trying to place yourself up on another level when you havent done it yet. the fact is you arent going to be in the negotiating room and your going to be left to vote on some good things and bad things, not perfect things.