CHQ new Delta jets?

[GFunk20]

Anybody know anything about CHQ exercising 5 more options on the Delta side? If so, when does this go into effect?

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

You should be getting a lot more than five, after we told mgt. we would not participate in the "gee...if we fly for rediculously low wages, we might get some more shiny new jets to fly club...", as CHQ..

You guys ought to feel real good about your selves and all you accomplished in your new contract. tic.

 

[DCitrus9]

There are many airlines taking pay cuts, yet you aim venom at a group who managed to improve their contract in difficult times. You are an ignorant a$$.

 

[Cracker]

The 5 new aircraft, EMB-145's, are supposed to be delivered in the 2nd and 3rd quarter of 2004. They will be deployed in the Northeastern system of the Delta Connection program. Our superman CEO said that it may help open up the BOS base for CHQ again after it was closed due to America West pulling its codeshare. He also said in his update letter that it hopefully was the beginning of even more aircraft. We'll see.

 

[bailout]

We are being told that CHQ (and SKW) is going to decrease in a big way out of the DFW hub. Seems like you would have extra aircraft from that.

 

[TWAER]

Might want to check your sources. Look for a BIG increase in DFW. Sorry.

 

[GFunk20]

2nd, 3rd quarter 2004? That seems a long way away.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Beautiful Irony

You should be getting a lot more than five, after we told mgt. we would not participate in the "gee...if we fly for rediculously low wages, we might get some more shiny new jets to fly club...", as CHQ..

You guys ought to feel real good about your selves and all you accomplished in your new contract. tic.

Kinda like how we feel about you trying to get rid of our scope protection and lower wages. You should be so proud. You get what you negotiate.

How is what you are trying to do any different from what you are complaining about? Chatauqua is not suing my union, I don't see a problem with them getting more jets as long as it does not violate our scope clause..........you know, the one you are trying to get rid of. Don't look for much support in our up comming negotiations.

 

[FDJ2]

You should be getting a lot more than five, after we told mgt. we would not participate in the "gee...if we fly for rediculously low wages, we might get some more shiny new jets to fly club...", as CHQ..

How do you think you got that flying to begin with. You really shouldn't be tossing any stones, the only reason you fly a single hour of the DAL code is because you are willing to do it for less than a mainline pilot.

 

[trainerjet]

You are an ignorant a$$.

You have just figured this out? I don't work for Delta, DCI or any of their contractors, but AFELLOWAVIATOR proves every time he posts that he is one of THE MOST ignorant a$$es on this board. It's not just the content of his posts, either. He is just plain stupid.

Plus, what NYRANGERS said is right on, also.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

How do you think you got that flying to begin with. You really shouldn't be tossing any stones, the only reason you fly a single hour of the DAL code is because you are willing to do it for less than a mainline pilot.

GEE. I never knew the DMEC negotiated any rates for the CL-65! I guess I missed that one. You do have rates on record higher than ours, don't you? After all, YOU JUST SAID WE ARE WILLING TO FLY THEM FOR LESS.

Just for the record, what are those rates for the CL-65 we agreed to fly for less? You know you have NEVER bid to fly them, so your above statement is just BS, AND YOU KNOW IT.

As far as the other kids on this thread. We worked hard to raise the bar, and pilot groups like CHQ and MESA and SKYW. have done nothing but race the other direction since then. It has got to a point now that we are having to step up one more time, and most likely make sacrifices to hold on to what we have.

If we followed your leads, we would put our tales between our legs and take concessions so WE can continue to get "new shiny jets". But our pilot group has some thing others lack. Pride and dignity.

 

[NYRANGERS]

I forgot to mention..........it is not in the furloughed pilots best interest for comair to get any more aircraft. If new planes go to Chautauqua or ASA, furloughed pilots from all airlines have a chance to go there and NOT resign their numbers. With thousands of pilots furloughed, it may offer some an opportunity for work.

No one at Delta has any interest in seeing any more planes go to comair.

NYR

 

[Hosed COEX]

GEE. I never knew the DMEC negotiated any rates for the CL-65! I guess I missed that one. You do have rates on record higher than ours, don't you? After all, YOU JUST SAID WE ARE WILLING TO FLY THEM FOR LESS.

Just for the record, what are those rates for the CL-65 we agreed to fly for less? You know you have NEVER bid to fly them, so your above statement is just BS, AND YOU KNOW IT.

As far as the other kids on this thread. We worked hard to raise the bar, and pilot groups like CHQ and MESA and SKYW. have done nothing but race the other direction since then. It has got to a point now that we are having to step up one more time, and most likely make sacrifices to hold on to what we have.

If we followed your leads, we would put our tales between our legs and take concessions so WE can continue to get "new shiny jets". But our pilot group has some thing others lack. Pride and dignity.

Your pilot group will do the exact same thing every other pilot group has done in the last year when the music stops. You'll take concessions or a freeze to save your jobs. It's amazing how big people talk on these boards but when the voting results are released an entirely different picture is painted.

I agree Comair raised the bar with your last contract and I am proud of your pilot group for making the sacrifices to do that. But understand that you raised the bar in different times, BEFORE 9/11, and that in the current race to cut costs you will have to follow the trend or watch your jobs and your aircraft go to Mesa or Chautauqua or any other carrier willing to do it for less than you. It's very basic economics. Get used to it because we're no longer insulated from the laws of supply and demand anymore. Too many pilots, not enough jobs.

Oh and it's "tails", not "tales". Pride and dignity apparently don't include basic spelling skills.

 

[ATRCA]

With that attitude, I hope your not back at XJT. We dont need people like you voting on our contract.

I'm pretty sure MESA is looking for some folks just like you. Good luck.

 

[StarChecker]

We worked hard to raise the bar, and pilot groups like CHQ and MESA and SKYW. have done nothing but race the other direction since then.

Mesa.....paycut

SkyWest.....paycut

CHQ.....pay increase


Which of these is not like the other?

 

[FDJ2]

GEE. I never knew the DMEC negotiated any rates for the CL-65! I guess I missed that one.

Why do you think the mainline has zero RJs, is it because

A. The mainline will do it for less

or

B. The CMR pilots were willing to do it for less than the mainline.

It's just the pot calling the kettle black when you complain about others giving up their services on the cheap.

 

[Russ]

Star checker
I know what your getting at, but factually you are incorrect about SkyWest taking a pay cut.

 

[Stick Man]

a lil help for my boy...

Seeing as how the yanks got harpooned by the darn fish, I figured that I'd give my boy Starchecker a hand.

Mesa

Less $, More Flying, More Planes (even 1900's - I Know), crappy work rules and schedulers, decent bases, a Pr!ck of a CEO who u can bet will never lose money in this industry in the long run



Comair

More $, Less Flying to come, Not a lot of shiny planes, horrible training dept., scheduling dept from hell (not to mention a hellhole like CVG as a base), Mother D in ATL getting her two UGLY daughters ready for the ball


CHQ (one of the only, if not the only airline to turn a profit in the first financial quarter post 9/11 in part, due to firm fuel price negotiations - smart huh!)

More $, more flying, many new shiny planes - in fact the only operator that has been taking a/c steadily for the last year, great people to work for (ok the religious dude - B.B. takes some getting used too but so does J.O.), a bunch of bases to basically choose from, and a decently understanding scheduling dept.

help me out and add em up Starchecker . . . looks like a no brainer - see u at the bar . . .

AFELLOWAVIATOR - no name calling here - just the truth. You don't deserve the right of calling yourself an aviator - you're just a complainer. When I invest in the stock market I learn all about the company I will be putting my money into - why didnt you do the same when you signed on the bottom line when you thought that a Brasilia was a good step up? Instead, you parlay ignorant drivel to a message board full of pilots that should be passing out edification instead of character assassination. Stand together or dont stand next to me. Stand together or be part of the problem which it seems like you have no problem doing and have been doing for the last 5000 hrs of your career.

 

[Wacopilot]

NYRANGERS,

Man, you pull it out of all your holes. I fly for Comair and I'm not suing "your" union. Why is it that you think it is the Comair pilots suing Delta? It is a few pilots that work for Comair and ASA NOT our MEC or anyone having to do with it. I don't care if you want to pitch a fit and cry all day but do it with the right info man. And combined ASA and CHQ hired how many DAL pilots.....15 or so. WOW, you need some time off. Play some golf or go fishing.

General, help me out.

Waco

 

[surplus1]

I forgot to mention..........it is not in the furloughed pilots best interest for comair to get any more aircraft. If new planes go to Chautauqua or ASA, furloughed pilots from all airlines have a chance to go there and NOT resign their numbers. With thousands of pilots furloughed, it may offer some an opportunity for work.

No one at Delta has any interest in seeing any more planes go to comair.

NYR

Rangers,

I have a suggestion for you. Get your MEC to create a Jets for Jobs program at Chautauqua for furloughed Delta pilots.

Then you and your friends can have all the captain seats in their shiny new aircraft. I'm sure they'll be more than happy to have you take those seats along with their seniority. If USAirways can do it why can't you? With a little effort you should be able to get 100% of the new seats, rather than the mere 50% that will go to the USAirways side. With you all and Airways coming in at the top and the UAL guys coming in at the bottom, (as soon as they land that big growth UAL contract) you all can have a real cluster (__) over there. There aren't too many CHQ guys right now so you all should have them outnumbered in short order.

When that's done you can then have your MEC make the same deal with SKYW and experience the thrill of the 70-seaters that will probably go from Comair to them. You will then have the opportunity to fly them for less than Comair for the foreseable future. You'll be welcome there too, with open arms.

Since CHQ is not represented by ALPA, neither you nor ALPA will have to worry about another lawsuit from them. Since SKYW is not represented at all, that should be a cake walk.

Between them you should be able to place all of your furloughees in captain positions, especially if you get your MEC to increase the ratios so that they can grow for your benefit rather than their own.

While you're at it, be sure to offer them some preferential hiring so that when you are eventually recalled to Delta they can all have the opportunity to follow you there for wages that match American and United. Perhaps it will take 10 years, but what does that matter? They're all young and won't mind waiting for the chance to move up from perpetual regional FO to permanent mainline FO, where the boot licking can continue.

If that doesn't please you, there is yet another option. Tell your MEC to reduce Delta wages by 50%, eliminate your work rules, and covert your A plan to a cash plan. That should allow you to "buy growth" at the mainline and is likely to get you all recalled in only a year or so. I'm sure your senior Delta brothers will be more than happy to do that for you guys. They all secretly care for you almost as much as the General truly and openly does.

Since no one in the Delta pilot group has ever had any interest it any planes going to Comair, let alone more planes, we've grown accustomed to that. Your information is old and we already know that you don't love us and that "you don't bring us flowers any more." Honest, it's about all we can do to hold back the tears over that. Tell us something that we don't know, please.