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sweptback

sweptback

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Heard from a friend there that you are losing your CRJs? He didn't seem to know much more other than they will be phased out. Any truth to this? What are you guys replacing them with? (don't say the E-Jets for CAL!)
 
E-Jets for CAL (j/k)

All gone by 2010, or so Bedford said in the latest earnings/analyst call.

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unless they find those 50 seat Ejets I have a feeling Continental pilot will poop on that one...plus I'm pretty sure continental hates republic and will ditch them asap
 
flyboyzz1 said:
unless they find those 50 seat Ejets I have a feeling Continental pilot will poop on that one...plus I'm pretty sure continental hates republic and will ditch them asap
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You are correct for 2 reasons....

1. a lot of the guys/gals at currently at CO are former expressjet'ers.... That said...look at there last contract...tell me if you think they are not going to sit idle while new hires get no health insurance for the first 6 months....and DAL pays more for first year pay... Point being they know what they want on a contract... Scope erosion is one of the subjects that will remain....

2. Look at the board next time you are in B terminal...lots of canceled flights from the Bedford bunch....

My .02

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flyguy81 said:
i'm pretty sure you're retarded and good riddance to the crj's
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Don't know who that was for but.... Do you know who the number one express jet charter customer is? Bing bing bing CHQ. How much in fines are you guys paying to continental because you can't keep your end of the contract? Say what you want but i'm pretty sure you will never fly anything bigger for continental.
 
flyboyzz1 said:
Don't know who that was for but.... Do you know who the number one express jet charter customer is? Bing bing bing CHQ. How much in fines are you guys paying to continental because you can't keep your end of the contract? Say what you want but i'm pretty sure you will never fly anything bigger for continental.
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I guess only time will tell!!!!;)
 
V1cutsrfun said:
You are correct for 2 reasons....

1. a lot of the guys/gals at currently at CO are former expressjet'ers.... That said...look at there last contract...tell me if you think they are not going to sit idle while new hires get no health insurance for the first 6 months....and DAL pays more for first year pay... Point being they know what they want on a contract... Scope erosion is one of the subjects that will remain....

2. Look at the board next time you are in B terminal...lots of canceled flights from the Bedford bunch....

My .02

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You guys are just making stuff up now. BB posts performance numbers for all codeshares and CO numbers are in line with all partners, mid to high 90%s. As far as former XJT pilots at CO caring about what happens to Expressjet to the point of voting on contract issues...enjoy that fantasy.
 
sweptback said:
Heard from a friend there that you are losing your CRJs? He didn't seem to know much more other than they will be phased out. Any truth to this? What are you guys replacing them with? (don't say the E-Jets for CAL!)
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We are going to replace them with E-jets...the 50 seat type. We have several spares comming over from other code share partners. If thats not enough, I'm sure we can pick up some XR's from Express when the return some of the 69 on the brainded side.(this is not a dig on you guys, the writing is on the wall)

I know that the CRJ is a superior product to the lawn dart after operating both of them and pax will miss them although M/X won't.
 
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unless they find those 50 seat Ejets I have a feeling Continental pilot will poop on that one...plus I'm pretty sure continental hates republic and will ditch them asap

not any more than they hate XJT.....
 
I'm sure BB was praying that the CAL pilots would give up scope. BB has a better chance of meeting Jesus.
 
flightinst said:
unless they find those 50 seat Ejets I have a feeling Continental pilot will poop on that one...plus I'm pretty sure continental hates republic and will ditch them asap

not any more than they hate XJT.....
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Horrible payload numbers, horrible on time, horrible completion factor. AND they still hate XJT just as much.

I'd say CAL did very well in their planning, because they have been anticipating a merge with UAL for years, didn't want to keep a regional contract if they didn't have to. Well done.
 
V1cutsrfun said:
2. Look at the board next time you are in B terminal...lots of canceled flights from the Bedford bunch....

My .02

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Pretty funny you say that...guess you don't get to Cleveland much. Seems every time I'm there Commutair has the most delayed/cxled, then XJT, then CHQ....and as someone already said the CRJs were all on short term leases. CHQ losing then was planned
 
flyboyzz1 said:
Don't know who that was for but.... Do you know who the number one express jet charter customer is? Bing bing bing CHQ. How much in fines are you guys paying to continental because you can't keep your end of the contract? Say what you want but i'm pretty sure you will never fly anything bigger for continental.
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maybe the CRJ on time and performance is crap, but as far as I'm told the ERJ is perfectly fine. All I know about the CRJ's are that they are a bunch of POS's. We wouldn't have them if your CEO would have given the planes back. While admirable in trying to prevent furloughs and keep morale up, the fact you are pulling planes to feed your charter ops kinda proves that that branded stuff most likely won't last long-term. Sucks for the pilot group, but you can't make money in a 50 seater with oil at 100/barrel.

I don't want to fly anything big for CO anyway. Not that I care cause I wouldn't go to CO ever anyway. Bases suck and I think not paying for insurance for 6 months while you make 30/hr is absolutely crap. Most of the express guys are great, but some of you need to get over the "holier than thou" attitudes. It was never your flying, it was a business decision. Get over it.
 
flyguy81 said:
maybe the CRJ on time and performance is crap, but as far as I'm told the ERJ is perfectly fine. All I know about the CRJ's are that they are a bunch of POS's. We wouldn't have them if your CEO would have given the planes back. While admirable in trying to prevent furloughs and keep morale up, the fact you are pulling planes to feed your charter ops kinda proves that that branded stuff most likely won't last long-term. Sucks for the pilot group, but you can't make money in a 50 seater with oil at 100/barrel.

I don't want to fly anything big for CO anyway. Not that I care cause I wouldn't go to CO ever anyway. Bases suck and I think not paying for insurance for 6 months while you make 30/hr is absolutely crap. Most of the express guys are great, but some of you need to get over the "holier than thou" attitudes. It was never your flying, it was a business decision. Get over it.
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flyguy81,

whose has the "holier than thou "attitude now? get over it!!! stay at chq
 
flyguy81 said:
maybe the CRJ on time and performance is crap, but as far as I'm told the ERJ is perfectly fine. All I know about the CRJ's are that they are a bunch of POS's. We wouldn't have them if your CEO would have given the planes back. While admirable in trying to prevent furloughs and keep morale up, the fact you are pulling planes to feed your charter ops kinda proves that that branded stuff most likely won't last long-term. Sucks for the pilot group, but you can't make money in a 50 seater with oil at 100/barrel.

I don't want to fly anything big for CO anyway. Not that I care cause I wouldn't go to CO ever anyway. Bases suck and I think not paying for insurance for 6 months while you make 30/hr is absolutely crap. Most of the express guys are great, but some of you need to get over the "holier than thou" attitudes. It was never your flying, it was a business decision. Get over it.
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Just FYI I don't work for Express Jet
 
n52gp said:
flyguy81,

whose has the "holier than thou "attitude now? get over it!!! stay at chq
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not so much....I'll be the first to admit this place needs work. If Express had called me 4 months earlier than they did, I'd be there instead of here. Just tired of the random few in CLE/IAH giving dirty looks, the finger, whatever cause we "stole their flying". Sorry if the above came off wrong.
 
Comparing some routes that are flown today with CRJs on continental.com to the same routes in May or June turns up same # of flights for CHQ but with more EMB145s.
 
n52gp said:
it's the fact that you went to chq and would've gone to xjt; but would never go to cal.
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I would have gone almost anywhere from being a cfi. the amount of time at a regional commuting would be vastly different than the amount of time at a major commuting. Most people spend 5 years or less at a regional while depending on age, you may spend anywhere from 20-35 years at a major. Yes, I would have commuted to IAH or CLE for 5 years. No, I would not have done it for 35, and I have no intention of living in either place.

I also would have gone to skywest as they called me, so did mesaba, comair called, so did asa. They all called after I was done with sim at CHQ even though I sent resume's at the same time 8 months prior.

You can't fault me for taking the first job offered. I doubt you'd quit after finishing training to start training at another place. My choice ended up being a relatively good one for me.

I'm done debating....regionals are retarded.
 
flyguy81 said:
maybe the CRJ on time and performance is crap, but as far as I'm told the ERJ is perfectly fine. All I know about the CRJ's are that they are a bunch of POS's. We wouldn't have them if your CEO would have given the planes back. While admirable in trying to prevent furloughs and keep morale up, the fact you are pulling planes to feed your charter ops kinda proves that that branded stuff most likely won't last long-term. Sucks for the pilot group, but you can't make money in a 50 seater with oil at 100/barrel.

I don't want to fly anything big for CO anyway. Not that I care cause I wouldn't go to CO ever anyway. Bases suck and I think not paying for insurance for 6 months while you make 30/hr is absolutely crap. Most of the express guys are great, but some of you need to get over the "holier than thou" attitudes. It was never your flying, it was a business decision. Get over it.
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Or it could "prove" that using some of the branded aircraft for the increase in charter flying is just better business. When you can charge $30,000 a day and the customer covers all expenses (including fuel) why keep the planes doing scheduled service? It seems our CEO's plan was to keep the operations flexible so we could shift aircraft when needed, and that is how it's been working out (charter, branded, jetblue, frontier, covering coex flights for chq). Actually, I wouldn't say this proves anything... except that you probably don't know as much as you think about the situation...
 
Fishpaw said:
Or it could "prove" that using some of the branded aircraft for the increase in charter flying is just better business. When you can charge $30,000 a day and the customer covers all expenses (including fuel) why keep the planes doing scheduled service? It seems our CEO's plan was to keep the operations flexible so we could shift aircraft when needed, and that is how it's been working out (charter, branded, jetblue, frontier, covering coex flights for chq). Actually, I wouldn't say this proves anything... except that you probably don't know as much as you think about the situation...
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This guy seems like he has it down.
 
flyboyzz1 said:
Don't know who that was for but.... Do you know who the number one express jet charter customer is? Bing bing bing CHQ. How much in fines are you guys paying to continental because you can't keep your end of the contract? Say what you want but i'm pretty sure you will never fly anything bigger for continental.
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Thats pretty funny.... It remended mye of a funny story...

I was sitting at the crash pad with a bunch of other XJT buddies... most were on reserve... One of teh guys phones ring..... It was XJT scheduling... Conversation went like this:

FO: Hello
FO: Speaking
FO:Ok...so where am I going?
FO: What do you mean you don't know... why did you call me??
FO: Oh haha...ok I'll be there at 2:00 then... thanks.

Well by now everyone in the room is curious..... Turns out CHQ cancelled a few flights...they were still building the pairings as they called the crewmembers, hence why the scheduler didn't know where he was headed yet... He found out where before the conversation was over....... Man that was damn funny at the time...

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