Chitako/Continental Deal Not Done?

[thowe21]

I'd much rather see MAG fly these routes than CHQ. At least we're in the same union,

Yeah more CHEAP flying at Mesa. Can’t wait! I would rather see the flying going to an Alpha carrier as well, even if it sacrifices quality and continues the race. Are you on crack? Don’t you remember that the only good thing about CHQ getting the contract is that it meant that CAL was more interested in quality that the absolute rock bottom bid? Smart thinking like yours is gonna make this industry better. Hey when is you running for Alpha pres? Hang in their Xjet guys your management group is one of the best out their and they will succeed with the 69 jets.

 

[JetlinkFO]

Our management made the best move given the cards they were delt.... what should they have done? Given the planes back, just to give more back later? BTW, I don't think they're really gonna do their own branded flying.... I think they've got feed agreements they're working on. Even if they have branded flying with their 69 a/c, they still have 205 airplanes with which CAL is paying them 10% margin on. Indy had 89 airplanes to start with all by itself, with no guarenteed profits. Obviously there's a difference in situations between the two carriers... .I don't understand
1.) why (some, not all) CHQ people don't see this and
2.) why (some, not all) are wishing the demise of XJET people (Jealousy? that our guys flying 145's make more than their guys flying 170's?)


Good luck to all of those wishing bad on XJET people... you should be ashamed of yourselves. And for the minority at CHQ wishing bad on XJET people, haven't you done enough bad for your fellow pilots by flying for sub-par compensation?

 

[bjriggs17]

1.) why (some, not all) CHQ people don't see this and
2.) why (some, not all) are wishing the demise of XJET people (Jealousy? that our guys flying 145's make more than their guys flying 170's?)

Good luck to all of those wishing bad on XJET people... you should be ashamed of yourselves. And for the minority at CHQ wishing bad on XJET people, haven't you done enough bad for your fellow pilots by flying for sub-par compensation?[/quote]

I don't know anyone at CHQ who wishes bad on Xjet people - I wish the best to you guys and hopefully they will find flying for all those aircraft-
Unfortunately none of us as pilots have any control over our career advancement -- it is all up to our airline management -

As for compensation, it appears to me that our pay scales are very similar - which neither is what it should be -- how can you say it is so different -
CHQ is actually higher as longevity increases -
3 year Captain - Xjet145 -$62, CHQ145-$61, CHQ170-$64
18 year Captain - Xjet145 -$92, CHQ145-$95, CHQ170-$99

 

[Apache 5]

As for compensation, it appears to me that our pay scales are very similar - which neither is what it should be -- how can you say it is so different -
CHQ is actually higher as longevity increases -
3 year Captain - Xjet145 -$62, CHQ145-$61, CHQ170-$64
18 year Captain - Xjet145 -$92, CHQ145-$95, CHQ170-$99

Last I looked, the 170 hauls an extra 20 peeps or so and with that "Ex-Plus" bull******************** (which is actually a very nice way to fly by the way), I have to ask: shouldnt the flight crew be paid a bit more than +$2 over XJT's 145 rates??? You also have to compare the contracts/work rules...dont think XJT gets shined out on that one.

 

[The Drizzle]

do we have to rehash the contract BS again? the contracts are not comparable because they were negotiated under completely different circumstances. XJET guys, get off your high horse. yes you have great work rules, i wonder if you would have been able to get those while staring down an non-union whipsaw airline? probably not, get over yourselves.

 

[bjriggs17]

None of us at CHQ or Xjet make what we should --- whatever

 

[spiffomatic]

Last I looked, the 170 hauls an extra 20 peeps or so and with that "Ex-Plus" bull******************** (which is actually a very nice way to fly by the way), I have to ask: shouldnt the flight crew be paid a bit more than +$2 over XJT's 145 rates??? You also have to compare the contracts/work rules...dont think XJT gets shined out on that one.

No one is disputing that we should all be paid far better than we do...

The first comment was "(Jealousy? that our guys flying 145's make more than their guys flying 170's?)"

This is not the case, though you are right... the pay is not what it should be. I'm no contract expert, but the wide gap at CHQ between pay for 135/140 vs 145 flying should have correlated to a similar spread moving up to the 170. - there's the bigger crime actually... STL based people on the 140 get crap pay per hour (but incidentally have some of the best lines and days off in the company due to good pairings). This a separately screwy problem with 135/145 people as the 145 bases are pay protected when they fly the 135, but the FLL(for a week more?) and MCO 135 base people get paid based on what aircraft they're flying that leg. It's pretty disappointing, and only a little solace can be found in the relatively *better* payscale for those who have been in the company for 15+ years... under 20 people in all. No real help for 99% of us.

Good luck with the 69 aircraft, XJET people.

 

[Alchemy]

Yeah more CHEAP flying at Mesa. Can’t wait! I would rather see the flying going to an Alpha carrier as well, even if it sacrifices quality and continues the race. Are you on crack? Don’t you remember that the only good thing about CHQ getting the contract is that it meant that CAL was more interested in quality that the absolute rock bottom bid? Smart thinking like yours is gonna make this industry better. Hey when is you running for Alpha pres? Hang in their Xjet guys your management group is one of the best out their and they will succeed with the 69 jets.

I knew that comment would really bother you RAH guys. Sorry, but it's true.

 

[Master Shake]

and kotex and their emotional management will give the jets back with their tail between their legs along with massive furloughs...

I predict that you are they type of person who thinks they know everything, but you really haven't a clue.

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

 

[AdamKooper]

The Problem in this industry is the fan-boyism. Anytime someone attacks airline X you get the people who try and stand up for it. That whats wrong, Regionals shouldn't be a place that you like to work at and should just be there to get your pic and get out ASAP. The problem I don't understand is when someone attacks your airline you feel the need to come to its defense. If the upgrade time at an airline is 2 years, there should be no reason why you should be there more than 4. Remember these are just temporary

 

[Master Shake]

The Problem in this industry is the fan-boyism. Anytime someone attacks airline X you get the people who try and stand up for it. That whats wrong, Regionals shouldn't be a place that you like to work at and should just be there to get your pic and get out ASAP. The problem I don't understand is when someone attacks your airline you feel the need to come to its defense. If the upgrade time at an airline is 2 years, there should be no reason why you should be there more than 4. Remember these are just temporary

Adam,

First off I love your avatar. I've said it before, but it needed to be said again. Secondly, in theory you are correct, but in today's environment people aren't just using our airlines as a stepping stone. I don't have to point out the turmoil that's been happening since 2001. Until things get back to the way they were in the late 90's, we're all going to care about our regionals a lot more.

 

[PGTB]

I knew that comment would really bother you RAH guys. Sorry, but it's true.

You are clearly uniformed...Mesa is on the bottom of the bottom, others are close, but Mesa is the bottom.

 

[AdamKooper]

You are clearly uniformed...Mesa is on the bottom of the bottom, others are close, but Mesa is the bottom.

I thought PSA was even lower than Mesa.

 

[PGTB]

No, Mesa is the clear Bottom.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

You guys are all so funny. "My airline is better than yours! We got a dollar an hour more!" "Well we have less seats, so there!" Its truly sad.

 

[skytrash969]

You guys are all so funny. "My airline is better than yours! We got a dollar an hour more!" "Well we have less seats, so there!" Its truly sad.

Man, I cant agree with you more!!!!!!!!! This board is just a joke, 90% of whats said here is bull s#i&!! WE ALL WORK FOR REGIONALS!!

 

[Turtlesfly]

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[Dubya]

The Problem in this industry is the fan-boyism. Anytime someone attacks airline X you get the people who try and stand up for it. That whats wrong, Regionals shouldn't be a place that you like to work at and should just be there to get your pic and get out ASAP. The problem I don't understand is when someone attacks your airline you feel the need to come to its defense. If the upgrade time at an airline is 2 years, there should be no reason why you should be there more than 4. Remember these are just temporary

......said the 6500 hour CRJ pilot?

Aaaalllrighty then.

W

 

[suupah]

You guys are all so funny. "My airline is better than yours! We got a dollar an hour more!" "Well we have less seats, so there!" Its truly sad.

True, I was reading in the paper today about starting salaries of other professionals with comparable education but less responsibility it was shocking how much we don't make.

but truth be told that is all we are worth or else they would pay us more.

 

[BankAccount=0$]

I'm sure it will be lost on the masses here on FlightInfo.com, but wouldn't it make more sense since we are all simply contractors to the majors to open a dialouge towards securing a future for ourselves as airline pilots. The "Regionals" are no longer a stepping stone towards a career with a legacy carrier. Whether we like it or not, there are fewer jobs available at the high end of the airline food chain. Everytime a 70-90 seat airframe is put online at a "regional" airline the goal of working for a "major" airline gets farther away. We as "regional" airline pilots are our own worst enemy, we revel in our respective companies gaining flying at any cost for a quick upgrade only to ignore the ramifications that it has on the industry as a whole. If you are going to fly an aircraft that is replacing a mainline aircraft then you shold be paid a equivalent amount for the capacity that said aircraft has replaced for the mainline partner.

Simply put, we are replacing the very jobs that we so desperatly seek. In the grand scheme of things (mainline) management has won, they convinced the senior pilots to allow scope relief to protect their jobs/pensions (at least what's left of them), and they found willing partners (ie, the regional carriers) to replace the junior pilots required to serve the market share they so desperately want to retain for a defacto B-scale wage.

We can cry all we want about how the union is doing nothing for us lowly regional pilots, but the fact remains that we are, and will continue to be our own worst enemy. Untill we as a whole decide to value our profession and as a result our earning potential above a municipal trash collector we will continue to be paid a sub-standard wage.

I'll be the first to say that I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I can see the writing on the wall. The "regionals" are going to be a place where you may spend a long time working and waiting for your big break. I'm just saying that if we're going to continue to replace jobs at the mainline level, we should be paid accordingly. The growth/ quick upgrade carrot is not enough to sell your future down the river.

 

[thowe21]

The Problem in this industry is the fan-boyism. Anytime someone attacks airline X you get the people who try and stand up for it. That whats wrong, Regionals shouldn't be a place that you like to work at and should just be there to get your pic and get out ASAP. The problem I don't understand is when someone attacks your airline you feel the need to come to its defense. If the upgrade time at an airline is 2 years, there should be no reason why you should be there more than 4. Remember these are just temporary

Yeah I’m planning on going to a majors to fly a dc9! Oh wait that market has be outsourced to the “commuters” flying crj900‘s. Well I sure hope mesa doesn’t use that 73 certificate that they have. When are you going to realize that this job might not be all that temporary? I would like to see how many pilots there are at the majors and how many at the regional, but I’m too lazy to do it my self. My guess is that there are more regional pilot than there are major pilots.

 

[suupah]

I'm sure it will be lost on the masses here on FlightInfo.com, but wouldn't it make more sense since we are all simply contractors to the majors to open a dialouge towards securing a future for ourselves as airline pilots. The "Regionals" are no longer a stepping stone towards a career with a legacy carrier. Whether we like it or not, there are fewer jobs available at the high end of the airline food chain. Everytime a 70-90 seat airframe is put online at a "regional" airline the goal of working for a "major" airline gets farther away. We as "regional" airline pilots are our own worst enemy, we revel in our respective companies gaining flying at any cost for a quick upgrade only to ignore the ramifications that it has on the industry as a whole. If you are going to fly an aircraft that is replacing a mainline aircraft then you shold be paid a equivalent amount for the capacity that said aircraft has replaced for the mainline partner.

Simply put, we are replacing the very jobs that we so desperatly seek. In the grand scheme of things (mainline) management has won, they convinced the senior pilots to allow scope relief to protect their jobs/pensions (at least what's left of them), and they found willing partners (ie, the regional carriers) to replace the junior pilots required to serve the market share they so desperately want to retain for a defacto B-scale wage.

We can cry all we want about how the union is doing nothing for us lowly regional pilots, but the fact remains that we are, and will continue to be our own worst enemy. Untill we as a whole decide to value our profession and as a result our earning potential above a municipal trash collector we will continue to be paid a sub-standard wage.

I'll be the first to say that I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I can see the writing on the wall. The "regionals" are going to be a place where you may spend a long time working and waiting for your big break. I'm just saying that if we're going to continue to replace jobs at the mainline level, we should be paid accordingly. The growth/ quick upgrade carrot is not enough to sell your future down the river.

Truth. But what must happen is keybank has to stop making it easy to finance your flight training. Also all these flight academies waving shiny jets in front of bug eyed kids need to go out of business. the only reason our salaries are so low is that there are so many pilots right now. until something changes with that, there is no hope of better wages and qol. IMHO

the truth that perspective students need to know is that 50-80% of all your pay is going to the loan just to pay for that stupid uniform and the illusion of success that this career affords you. it is all an illusion.

 

[RCA]

Suupah,
I am one of those "kids" you speak about. I was wondering if you could tell me If having 20 days of this month is an illusion.

 

[Superpilot92]

Suupah,
I am one of those "kids" you speak about. I was wondering if you could tell me If having 20 days of this month is an illusion.

20 days off a month is an illusion. Seriously

 

[DoinTime]

Suupah,
I am one of those "kids" you speak about. I was wondering if you could tell me If having 20 days of this month is an illusion.

You work part time hours and coincindentally you get paid part time wages.

 

[BlueCanoe]

What is up with smack-tards?
1) When I swapped airport cars from Central FL to my base up north, round trip for GAS only = $270. Airtran round trip = $150 (this should explain some pay issues at any airline.)

2) 16 days off for June

From FlightGlobal.com Mesa, for one, has a large enough fleet that it will risk a stand-alone start-up in the already crowded Hawaiian inter-island market. It will also likely win new flying from another major, drawn by Mesa’s low operating costs of about $1,990 a block hour, estimates Benchmark Group’s Helane Becker. The Republic group, at about $1,600 a block hour, is the lowest, she says.

second snippet:Regional jet manufacturers Bombardier and Embraer agree that the 50-seater era is over, but differ in their approach to meeting carrier requirements for larger aircraft

 

[Aerosurfer]

heheheh......................kotex!!!

 

[paid4training]

"Do chickens have large talons?"

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Suupah,
I am one of those "kids" you speak about. I was wondering if you could tell me If having 20 days of this month is an illusion.

Hey, 20 days off a month because you can't find any students doesn't count!!!!:beer: