Chill out Delta!

[General Lee]

It happened not too far from the infamous NWA crew that was "arguing over a new scheduling software" while they overflew their destination. So the media was consumed with that issue.

It was ASAP'd by the DAL crew, not sure if there was any retraining involved.



Sad, but true. Had it been a regional crew that talked to the controller like that, the "experts" would have ranted and raved about how unprofessional regional pilots are.



Again, a true statement. AGAIN, the view of the "experts" is that since it was legacy crew and there was no bent metal or a body count, it's perceived as OK. Because, again, they're legacy pilots. They're allowed to do such things.

The same point stands, had it been a regional crew, we would never hear the end of it. Just like CAL crew that landed on taxi way Zulu in EWR, the UAL crew that almost hit mountain, the AA crew that almost stalled an Airbus going into holding. Legacy pilots are held to a different/more forgiving standard when they completely fukc something up..........

Looks like you better get hired quick at a legacy before you hit front page news! Thanks for all your insight though, you jealous dooosh.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Eh
Back to the thread-
Often major pilots SA is pretty bad in the terminal area-

I honestly believe every ex mil pilot would benefit from a year or two in the right seat at a regional-
Been arguing that for years-

If you haven't done this civilian world- you haven't done it. Probably aren't qualified for the top of the food chain civilian job.

 

[pilotyip]

Eh

I honestly believe every ex mil pilot would benefit from a year or two in the right seat at a regional-
Been arguing that for years-

Where are mil pilots going straight to the left seat without getting a couple years in the right seat? That doesn't even happen at our place. BTW I think all civilian pilots would benefit from going through a military flight program, it would eliminate the weak ones.

 

[Freebrd]

BTW I think all civilian pilots would benefit from going through a military flight program, it would eliminate the weak ones.

Slow over on the major board yippy? Go back to your cave old man. Military flight training, while excellent, is not required to weed out the weak sisters. A good training department can do it. Besides, eventually there may be less numbers of military pilots in the future with drones.

 

[pilotyip]

Slow over on the major board yippy? Go back to your cave old man. Military flight training, while excellent, is not required to weed out the weak sisters. A good training department can do it. Besides, eventually there may be less numbers of military pilots in the future with drones.

Yes good training dept can do that, but a lot of places don't have those kind of training depts and bottom feeders like us have to take what we can gt. In 17 years one mil guy has not made it through training, wash out rate on civilian about 5%, which out of 434 hired over the last 17 yeras makes it about 21 civies conpared to 1 mil back ground. Now I will say we have almost the same success with previous 121 guys as we do with mil, but the 135/91 world is a whoooooole different ball game. BTW the guys on the major board tell me F' off I am not a major pilot.

 

[Freebrd]

well then maybe you should go to the 135 board & comment there :laugh:

 

[dojetdriver]

Looks like you better get hired quick at a legacy before you hit front page news!

FO was a female, was it you?

 

[General Lee]

FO was a female, was it you?

No, but you are sounding like one. Quit being so emotional.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

This message is hidden because General Lee is on your ignore list.

sooo much better.....

 

[gojo]

Yes good training dept can do that, but a lot of places don't have those kind of training depts and bottom feeders like us have to take what we can gt. In 17 years one mil guy has not made it through training, wash out rate on civilian about 5%, which out of 434 hired over the last 17 yeras makes it about 21 civies conpared to 1 mil back ground. Now I will say we have almost the same success with previous 121 guys as we do with mil, but the 135/91 world is a whoooooole different ball game. BTW the guys on the major board tell me F' off I am not a major pilot.

In my opinion the bourdon for training and experience should lie with the company and the FAA with strict monitoring from the FAA to make sure it's happening. All 121 carriers should be held to the same standard.

 

[Freebrd]

Mmm bourbon, let's toast!

 

[gojo]

Mmm bourbon, let's toast!

Cheers, I like bourbon too. lol

 

[Mercyful Fate]

FO was a female, was it you?

Genital is not a pilot. He flies a desk.

 

[pilotyip]

well then maybe you should go to the 135 board & comment there :laugh:

But I was a commuter pilot once upon a time flying the state of the art DHC-6, doesn't that give me membership on the regional board?

 

[xjgearbtch]

Yes good training dept can do that, but a lot of places don't have those kind of training depts and bottom feeders like us have to take what we can gt. In 17 years one mil guy has not made it through training, wash out rate on civilian about 5%, which out of 434 hired over the last 17 yeras makes it about 21 civies conpared to 1 mil back ground. Now I will say we have almost the same success with previous 121 guys as we do with mil, but the 135/91 world is a whoooooole different ball game. BTW the guys on the major board tell me F' off I am not a major pilot.

How much of this was professional courtesy? Majority of 121 instructors are former military. After flying for many years with ex military Captains, I see they are no better than those who came thru the regional ranks. But I prefer to fly with civvies. Nothing worse than a five day trip, listening to non-stop stories about a previous life from over 20 years ago. Life didn't end when you left the military. How about talking about something that happened in the last decade?

 

[Freebrd]

But I was a commuter pilot once upon a time flying the state of the art DHC-6, doesn't that give me membership on the regional board?

Oh alright, I guess you can come aboard then.

 

[pilotyip]

Oh alright, I guess you can come aboard then.

ah! the warm glow of being welcomed so seldon found on FI:blush:

 

[waveflyer]

Where are mil pilots going straight to the left seat without getting a couple years in the right seat? That doesn't even happen at our place. BTW I think all civilian pilots would benefit from going through a military flight program, it would eliminate the weak ones.

Because FO at a major is the second highest paying position in civilian flying next to capt.

One should not be "learning on the job" while accruing seniority at a major.
Sorry-

Major 121 carriers don't fly mil ops-
It's a different rhythm.

One may be almost qualified out of the military but shouldn't be hired directly into the highest paid civilian 121 jobs with no civilian 121 experience.

 

[pilotyip]

One should not be "learning on the job" while accruing seniority at a major.
Sorry-

After the warm glow of freebrd's post, now back to your regularily scheduled FI programing. Thank goodness you are not involved in running an airline.:smash:

 

[waveflyer]

Not running, no...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Where are mil pilots going straight to the left seat without getting a couple years in the right seat? That doesn't even happen at our place. BTW I think all civilian pilots would benefit from going through a military flight program, it would eliminate the weak ones.

Hate to "burst your bubble". I've flown with excellent ex-military pilots, however some of the worst ones have also come from there. Apparently, the military flight program doesn't always "eliminate the weak ones"!

 

[pilotyip]

Hate to "burst your bubble". I've flown with excellent ex-military pilots, however some of the worst ones have also come from there. Apparently, the military flight program doesn't always "eliminate the weak ones"!

That just isn't my experience, it may be yours and that is fine, but the other fact is mil pilots do seem to get head of the line privileges for major airline jobs there must be something the hiring managers like.

 

[CX880]

That just isn't my experience, it may be yours and that is fine, but the other fact is mil pilots do seem to get head of the line privileges for major airline jobs there must be something the hiring managers like.

Killer tax breaks for hiring vets. No offense, thanks for their service.

 

[skywiz]

Because FO at a major is the second highest paying position in civilian flying next to capt.

One should not be "learning on the job" while accruing seniority at a major.
Sorry-

Major 121 carriers don't fly mil ops-
It's a different rhythm.

One may be almost qualified out of the military but shouldn't be hired directly into the highest paid civilian 121 jobs with no civilian 121 experience.

Disagree with you there. If they made all mil guys go to a regional first, very few if any mil pilots would be going to the airlines. Just like civilian regional pilots, they already paid their dues flying 10-20 years in the military. If you can handle flying in the military + have a good attitude, a mil guy shouldn't have any issues. Flying an airliner isn't that hard.

 

[J.Otto]

Disagree with you there. If they made all mil guys go to a regional first, very few if any mil pilots would be going to the airlines. Just like civilian regional pilots, they already paid their dues flying 10-20 years in the military. If you can handle flying in the military + have a good attitude, a mil guy shouldn't have any issues. Flying an airliner isn't that hard.

Several years back, a few military guys told me they refused to apply to several regionals who were hiring, and were waiting until slots at the majors opened up again. You know, waiting for the red carpet to roll out for them. They preferred to keep proficient in the reserves rather than get tangled up with a regional QOL.

 

[Freebrd]

It's that 'entitlement' attitude. Many feel they're above the Regionals, even though I know of F15, B52, C130, Navy stuff, Army Helios, even a couple of Coast Guard pilots at ASA, err, XJet.

 

[pilotyip]

hey preferred to keep proficient in the reserves rather than get tangled up with a regional QOL.

That is because they could make more money and have more days off than working at a regional. Wheen I lost my Corp job in 1982, I couldn't find anyone who paid better than the reserves.

 

[fr8doggie]

It's that 'entitlement' attitude. Many feel they're above the Regionals, even though I know of F15, B52, C130, Navy stuff, Army Helios, even a couple of Coast Guard pilots at ASA, err, XJet.

Hey General, what's a helio? Some kind of solar powered aircraft?

 

[gojo]

Hey General, what's a helio? Some kind of solar powered aircraft?

Is the General Free Bird too?

 

[fr8doggie]

Is the General Free Bird too?

Freebrd, PBRstreetgang, and Mercyful Fate. They're all the same.