Chill out Delta!

[Freebrd]

Mmm bourbon, let's toast!

 

[gojo]

Mmm bourbon, let's toast!

Cheers, I like bourbon too. lol

 

[Mercyful Fate]

FO was a female, was it you?

Genital is not a pilot. He flies a desk.

 

[pilotyip]

well then maybe you should go to the 135 board & comment there :laugh:

But I was a commuter pilot once upon a time flying the state of the art DHC-6, doesn't that give me membership on the regional board?

 

[xjgearbtch]

Yes good training dept can do that, but a lot of places don't have those kind of training depts and bottom feeders like us have to take what we can gt. In 17 years one mil guy has not made it through training, wash out rate on civilian about 5%, which out of 434 hired over the last 17 yeras makes it about 21 civies conpared to 1 mil back ground. Now I will say we have almost the same success with previous 121 guys as we do with mil, but the 135/91 world is a whoooooole different ball game. BTW the guys on the major board tell me F' off I am not a major pilot.

How much of this was professional courtesy? Majority of 121 instructors are former military. After flying for many years with ex military Captains, I see they are no better than those who came thru the regional ranks. But I prefer to fly with civvies. Nothing worse than a five day trip, listening to non-stop stories about a previous life from over 20 years ago. Life didn't end when you left the military. How about talking about something that happened in the last decade?

 

[Freebrd]

But I was a commuter pilot once upon a time flying the state of the art DHC-6, doesn't that give me membership on the regional board?

Oh alright, I guess you can come aboard then.

 

[pilotyip]

Oh alright, I guess you can come aboard then.

ah! the warm glow of being welcomed so seldon found on FI:blush:

 

[waveflyer]

Where are mil pilots going straight to the left seat without getting a couple years in the right seat? That doesn't even happen at our place. BTW I think all civilian pilots would benefit from going through a military flight program, it would eliminate the weak ones.

Because FO at a major is the second highest paying position in civilian flying next to capt.

One should not be "learning on the job" while accruing seniority at a major.
Sorry-

Major 121 carriers don't fly mil ops-
It's a different rhythm.

One may be almost qualified out of the military but shouldn't be hired directly into the highest paid civilian 121 jobs with no civilian 121 experience.

 

[pilotyip]

One should not be "learning on the job" while accruing seniority at a major.
Sorry-

After the warm glow of freebrd's post, now back to your regularily scheduled FI programing. Thank goodness you are not involved in running an airline.:smash:

 

[waveflyer]

Not running, no...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Where are mil pilots going straight to the left seat without getting a couple years in the right seat? That doesn't even happen at our place. BTW I think all civilian pilots would benefit from going through a military flight program, it would eliminate the weak ones.

Hate to "burst your bubble". I've flown with excellent ex-military pilots, however some of the worst ones have also come from there. Apparently, the military flight program doesn't always "eliminate the weak ones"!

 

[pilotyip]

Hate to "burst your bubble". I've flown with excellent ex-military pilots, however some of the worst ones have also come from there. Apparently, the military flight program doesn't always "eliminate the weak ones"!

That just isn't my experience, it may be yours and that is fine, but the other fact is mil pilots do seem to get head of the line privileges for major airline jobs there must be something the hiring managers like.

 

[CX880]

That just isn't my experience, it may be yours and that is fine, but the other fact is mil pilots do seem to get head of the line privileges for major airline jobs there must be something the hiring managers like.

Killer tax breaks for hiring vets. No offense, thanks for their service.

 

[skywiz]

Because FO at a major is the second highest paying position in civilian flying next to capt.

One should not be "learning on the job" while accruing seniority at a major.
Sorry-

Major 121 carriers don't fly mil ops-
It's a different rhythm.

One may be almost qualified out of the military but shouldn't be hired directly into the highest paid civilian 121 jobs with no civilian 121 experience.

Disagree with you there. If they made all mil guys go to a regional first, very few if any mil pilots would be going to the airlines. Just like civilian regional pilots, they already paid their dues flying 10-20 years in the military. If you can handle flying in the military + have a good attitude, a mil guy shouldn't have any issues. Flying an airliner isn't that hard.

 

[J.Otto]

Disagree with you there. If they made all mil guys go to a regional first, very few if any mil pilots would be going to the airlines. Just like civilian regional pilots, they already paid their dues flying 10-20 years in the military. If you can handle flying in the military + have a good attitude, a mil guy shouldn't have any issues. Flying an airliner isn't that hard.

Several years back, a few military guys told me they refused to apply to several regionals who were hiring, and were waiting until slots at the majors opened up again. You know, waiting for the red carpet to roll out for them. They preferred to keep proficient in the reserves rather than get tangled up with a regional QOL.

 

[Freebrd]

It's that 'entitlement' attitude. Many feel they're above the Regionals, even though I know of F15, B52, C130, Navy stuff, Army Helios, even a couple of Coast Guard pilots at ASA, err, XJet.

 

[pilotyip]

hey preferred to keep proficient in the reserves rather than get tangled up with a regional QOL.

That is because they could make more money and have more days off than working at a regional. Wheen I lost my Corp job in 1982, I couldn't find anyone who paid better than the reserves.

 

[fr8doggie]

It's that 'entitlement' attitude. Many feel they're above the Regionals, even though I know of F15, B52, C130, Navy stuff, Army Helios, even a couple of Coast Guard pilots at ASA, err, XJet.

Hey General, what's a helio? Some kind of solar powered aircraft?

 

[gojo]

Hey General, what's a helio? Some kind of solar powered aircraft?

Is the General Free Bird too?

 

[fr8doggie]

Is the General Free Bird too?

Freebrd, PBRstreetgang, and Mercyful Fate. They're all the same.