Chicago runway too slick at Crash

[GuppyWN]

ROTFLMAO! You are equating a tailwind at LAX (2 mile long runway) with a tailwind on a snow covered runway at MDW?
Buy some common sense, pal. I guess that I need to remember my audience ... a few people who hold up a USA Today 'analysis' as gospel, yet decry the initial NTSB report (with more than enough information) as unfounded rumors. You guys continue to crack me up.

Hook, line, and sinker bro. Do you follow FARs and company rules to the tee, or don't you? You said you did not waiver.... ever. I think you answered differently.

Now that we got that clear - STFU!

Gup

 

[Palomino]

Chicago runway too slick at Crash

By Alan Levin, USA TODAY

truly a profound statement. i think the pictures told us a lot more than Mr. Levin does.

 

[regionaltard]

Hook, line, and sinker bro. Do you follow FARs and company rules to the tee, or don't you? You said you did not waiver.... ever. I think you answered differently.

Now that we got that clear - STFU!

Gup

"Reported" is the operative word here. Knowing what we all know about how the wheels of the system are greased from time to time, just because it's "legal" doesn't always make it smart. The distinction between LA and Midway in the context of an iffy tailwind report is a valid one. The accident crew put themselves in a situation where everything had to go their way, and it didn't.

By the way, when was the last time any of you reran numbers inside the marker for winds when your supposed to be monitoring an approach???

Reran? How about briefing the limit before you get there so when you hear ** at ** it sounds just like "go around?"

 

[SWA/FO]

a Perfect Storm

 

[SWA/FO]

Slug for SWAPA President!

 

[regionaltard]

a Perfect Storm

Another term I've heard used in the industry is "a causal chain."

 

[GuppyWN]

Just for clarification..... I don't consider anything past the reverse highspeed on 24L to be usable runway.

Gup

 

[Mach 80]

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Why did the mishap crew choose to land immediately after a company aircraft made a divert decision? No face shot, this is new information to me and it does raise a valid question.
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One airplane might weight thousands of pounds more or less than another resulting in much different calcualtions and therefore decisions.

 

[furloughed dude]

I guess this explains why they decided to use autobrakes when they weren't approved by the company. Lucy, you gots lots of splainin to do....

 

[BVT94]

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Why did the mishap crew choose to land immediately after a company aircraft made a divert decision? No face shot, this is new information to me and it does raise a valid question.
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One airplane might weight thousands of pounds more or less than another resulting in much different calcualtions and therefore decisions.

or BILLIONS...............

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey F U R L O U G H E D DUDE,

Your just jealous you don't have autobrakes at your guard bum desk job. I guess, desks don't have any brakes thesedays.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Hey F U R L O U G H E D DUDE,

Your just jealous you don't have autobrakes at your guard bum desk job. I guess, desks don't have any brakes thesedays.

Hey SWA/FO,

Pretty weak comeback.

Now, back to the 'splainin.

Cheers,

SCR

 

[LarryinTN]

I guess this explains why they decided to use autobrakes when they weren't approved by the company.

From what I understand, all of the pilots were trained in the use of autobrakes and all that they were waiting for was the pages in the next ops manual revision for the use of autobrakes to become standard procedure. There had also been a group of Captains who had been using the autobrakes in a test program.

 

[Andy]

Hook, line, and sinker bro. Do you follow FARs and company rules to the tee, or don't you? You said you did not waiver.... ever. I think you answered differently.

Now that we got that clear - STFU!

Gup

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Here's the quote:

I don't have a huge ego and I will never bend to company pressures to fly as scheduled.

No mention of the FARs. I'm no company man (working for Yonited kinda beats the company man out of you), but I'm no boy scout either.

Just for clarification..... I don't consider anything past the reverse highspeed on 24L to be usable runway.

Gup

I consider runway behind me to be unusable.

 

[Andy]

Sluggo, good to hear from ya again. Yes, I'm opinionated; that hasn't changed. Thanks for saying that I'm levelheaded, although more than a couple people would disagree with you on that one.

I don't know what the mishap crew did to come up with their numbers and neither do you. We do know that they had a conversation with dispatch over the numbers; twice while enroute.

The final report will take two years to be released. If you guys want to keep this accident below the radar screen, then don't make posts like the first two in this thread. It's pretty machochistic to post flame bait against your own company and then try to defend it. Almost all pertinent information has been released on the accident; by this time, it is highly unlikely that some new 'revelation' will be uncovered. Any ATP pilot can read the NTSB initial reprot (link below) and come to reasonable conclusions on the level of risk involved with this flight.
I notice that you edited out your little 13C/31C comment; you must've read the NTSB initial and discovered the little problem with your statement.
Glad to hear that you got $6K; it's deserved for your time & effort that UAL
wasted. You should get another chunk of stock; about $3K.
As for Southwest's cowboy image, let me hit on just a few points. SWA has a reputation for taxiing excessively fast, which I've personally witnessed. SWA is not certified for autoland, in spite of this being an older and very reliable technology. SWA did not permit autobrakes to be used, as per FOM. Does SWA have the autothrottles working now? SWA has adopted an attitude that they will fly the 737 'old school.' This brings increased risk. When there is zero margin for error, your crews are being set up for failure.
Like it or not, Southwest has the cowboy image. JBLU has the koolaid drinking image; cleaning the cabin and trying to change the FARs doesn't help thier image.

Again, here's the NTSB link: http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2005/051215.htm