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Typhoon1244
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Re: Typhoon1244 #3
And since the military doesn't have any of the type pictured...
I also noticed, upon further inspection, that the trails in that picture are forming slightly ahead of the horizontal stabilizer. That would make it impossible for them to be the result of something being sprayed from the tail.
And as for the climate in Austin, assuming that the 47% average you mentioned is uniform at all altitudes (which is highly unlikely), that's plenty of moisture to form contrails at moderate altitudes (24,000 and above).
It's impressive the way you're undermining your own argument, Denver. Please, continue.
No, they could also be United or USAir.Denver130 said:
And since the military doesn't have any of the type pictured...
I also noticed, upon further inspection, that the trails in that picture are forming slightly ahead of the horizontal stabilizer. That would make it impossible for them to be the result of something being sprayed from the tail.
And as for the climate in Austin, assuming that the 47% average you mentioned is uniform at all altitudes (which is highly unlikely), that's plenty of moisture to form contrails at moderate altitudes (24,000 and above).
It's impressive the way you're undermining your own argument, Denver. Please, continue.
TXCAP4228
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Re: Austin time lapse
2) Are you aware that conditions aloft may differ dramatically from conditions on the ground?
3) Did you actually read a book to get your climate data or even contrail forming data, or did you get it from somebody else's chem trail website?
4) Isn't it true that what you are really doing is letting someone else do your thinking for you?
2) What emprical data have you read that describes altitudes where contraisl form?
3) Why do you think that certain weather can ONLY happen in some small finitie range? You have heard of FOG, right? You do know that its forms close to THE GROUND, right?
2) You are aware that clouds can grow and expand, right?
3) What would compel you to think that larger contrails are anything other than clouds formed behind a large airplane that have simply expanded or been blown?
4) Why do you think that contrails should be pencil thin? Based on what literature have you made this conclusion?
5) A contrail is a cloud. Clouds, once they form can grow into all shapes and sizes, right?
2) There is no reason whatsoever that contrails must only last 30 seconds. Where did you get this number? On exactly what scientific data did you base your 30 second rule?
3) Have you investigated the winds and temps aloft?
Denver, here's what I see:
You have never bothered to learn about the basics of weather phenomena. You have never subjected your own arguments to several basic logic tests. You use as your sole source of data a forgone conclusion that the only explanation for what you see is some devious government program.
finally, you disregard any fact or question that would force you to conclude that you are wrong.
Now, one final serious question for you. If you are intelectually honest, could you be convinced that every single one of the contrails you show pictures of really was just that - a contrail? Could you allow yourself to be convinced that there was no devious program?
What would it take to convince you?
If you cannot answer these reasonably, then you're a flake.
Dude, until a day or two ago you didn't even understand lapse rates. Now you are telling me that you can distinguish between a legit contrail and something else? Exactly how are you qualified to make that determination?Denver130 said:
1) What consistutes a climate that is too hot and dry to form a contrail?Denver130 said:
2) Are you aware that conditions aloft may differ dramatically from conditions on the ground?
3) Did you actually read a book to get your climate data or even contrail forming data, or did you get it from somebody else's chem trail website?
4) Isn't it true that what you are really doing is letting someone else do your thinking for you?
1) As we have asked you repeatedly before, how the hell do you know that these contrails are to low? You have no freaking clue.Denver130 said:
2) What emprical data have you read that describes altitudes where contraisl form?
3) Why do you think that certain weather can ONLY happen in some small finitie range? You have heard of FOG, right? You do know that its forms close to THE GROUND, right?
1) You do understand that a contrail is nothing more than a cloud, right?Denver130 said:
2) You are aware that clouds can grow and expand, right?
3) What would compel you to think that larger contrails are anything other than clouds formed behind a large airplane that have simply expanded or been blown?
4) Why do you think that contrails should be pencil thin? Based on what literature have you made this conclusion?
5) A contrail is a cloud. Clouds, once they form can grow into all shapes and sizes, right?
1) Ref all my replies to you under number 1.Denver130 said:
2) There is no reason whatsoever that contrails must only last 30 seconds. Where did you get this number? On exactly what scientific data did you base your 30 second rule?
3) Have you investigated the winds and temps aloft?
Denver, here's what I see:
You have never bothered to learn about the basics of weather phenomena. You have never subjected your own arguments to several basic logic tests. You use as your sole source of data a forgone conclusion that the only explanation for what you see is some devious government program.
finally, you disregard any fact or question that would force you to conclude that you are wrong.
Now, one final serious question for you. If you are intelectually honest, could you be convinced that every single one of the contrails you show pictures of really was just that - a contrail? Could you allow yourself to be convinced that there was no devious program?
What would it take to convince you?
If you cannot answer these reasonably, then you're a flake.
jayreynolds
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denver130= liar
I see Denver130 has declined to show proof of his claim that he took his "Chem-Tail" photo on a day in Austin, TX at 95degreesF and 15% relative humidity. If he told the truth about the incident in the first case, a response would have been no problem.
It has become painfully obvious he chose to lie in his claim, and now dissembles. He is toast in so many ways, I cannot count them all.
bye,
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I see Denver130 has declined to show proof of his claim that he took his "Chem-Tail" photo on a day in Austin, TX at 95degreesF and 15% relative humidity. If he told the truth about the incident in the first case, a response would have been no problem.
It has become painfully obvious he chose to lie in his claim, and now dissembles. He is toast in so many ways, I cannot count them all.
bye,
Jay Reynolds
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main site http://goodsky.homestead.com/index.html
mirror site#1 http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/
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Re: Austin climate
That refers to relative humidity at the surface. Since science also says that 100% relative humidity is needed for clouds to form, are you also claiming that Austin never has clouds?
Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, despite countless attempts to educate you, that the atmosphere changes significantly with altitude, not just temperature, but wind and moisture content as well. Looking straight up from your apartment, you're looking through a column of air that is constantly changing and likely has attributes from more than one weather system.
The weather front you see on TV isn't a straight wall from the surface into space. It is not unusual for fronts to be sloped 100:1 or more. Think about that. A front that's 200 surface miles from you might also be only 10,000 ft over your head. It could be warm and wet at the surface and yet only 2 miles overhead, the air can be relatively cold and dry. And vice versa. Seven miles overhead, the airmass is nothing like the air at the surface.
Maybe, just maybe, we're not all in on the conspiracy, and since we spend a significant amount of time in the atmosphere some of us actually know what we're talking about.
You remind me of a first grader arguing basic arithmetic with a calculus professor. 1 + 1 <> 3, OK?
Denver130 said:
That refers to relative humidity at the surface. Since science also says that 100% relative humidity is needed for clouds to form, are you also claiming that Austin never has clouds?
Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, despite countless attempts to educate you, that the atmosphere changes significantly with altitude, not just temperature, but wind and moisture content as well. Looking straight up from your apartment, you're looking through a column of air that is constantly changing and likely has attributes from more than one weather system.
The weather front you see on TV isn't a straight wall from the surface into space. It is not unusual for fronts to be sloped 100:1 or more. Think about that. A front that's 200 surface miles from you might also be only 10,000 ft over your head. It could be warm and wet at the surface and yet only 2 miles overhead, the air can be relatively cold and dry. And vice versa. Seven miles overhead, the airmass is nothing like the air at the surface.
Maybe, just maybe, we're not all in on the conspiracy, and since we spend a significant amount of time in the atmosphere some of us actually know what we're talking about.
You remind me of a first grader arguing basic arithmetic with a calculus professor. 1 + 1 <> 3, OK?
dash8driver
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all these chemtrail people and other oddball conspiracy theorists are just modern day sun worshipers. they are modern versions of people who believed that the sun, moon, mountain, etc were gods. that the sun traveled through a tunnel to come up on the other side of the earth, and when a storm, earthquake or whatever came or when people got sick or hurt, it was because the gods were angry at them and taking revenge.
those people and these people all suffer from a few common things that drive them to their beliefs. that is fear and a lack of understanding of whats going on around them. it is commonly known and taught that the people of ancient times were victims of this. what makes us think we are free from these things just because its now and we are modern in comparison. odds are, humans are still susceptible to this....they just cant see that they are lost in the same forest that their predecessors were lost in.
the factor that keeps them in denial while others are able to find their way out of the forest is a desire for self importance. to be in on the big mystery that no one else knows. they want to be the arnold schwarzenegger from "total recall", roddy piper from "they live", mel gibson from "conspiracy theory", etc. they want to be the one to discover the "truth" and save the day in the end because they knew all along. when all they need is a good dose of self esteem.
if denver or any of these other people are serious about finding out the truth. they would enroll in some meteorology classes and get some science from the ground up. instead of taking their "facts" and "education" from a nutjob who has written books or articles to "prove" his theory by writing the conclusion first, then writing selective facts to support his conclusion.
those people and these people all suffer from a few common things that drive them to their beliefs. that is fear and a lack of understanding of whats going on around them. it is commonly known and taught that the people of ancient times were victims of this. what makes us think we are free from these things just because its now and we are modern in comparison. odds are, humans are still susceptible to this....they just cant see that they are lost in the same forest that their predecessors were lost in.
the factor that keeps them in denial while others are able to find their way out of the forest is a desire for self importance. to be in on the big mystery that no one else knows. they want to be the arnold schwarzenegger from "total recall", roddy piper from "they live", mel gibson from "conspiracy theory", etc. they want to be the one to discover the "truth" and save the day in the end because they knew all along. when all they need is a good dose of self esteem.
if denver or any of these other people are serious about finding out the truth. they would enroll in some meteorology classes and get some science from the ground up. instead of taking their "facts" and "education" from a nutjob who has written books or articles to "prove" his theory by writing the conclusion first, then writing selective facts to support his conclusion.
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Denver, you remind me of trying to reason with a two year old. This is the cliff notes version of everything you've said. (I see the humor, so I'm going to make fun of you a little)
Denver: These are chemtrails, look at my photo's!
Normal people: No, those are CONtrails.
Denver: No they're NOT! Look at them in the photo! They're at 12,000 feet. How can they be contrails at 12,000 feet?!?! Take THAT!
Normal people: Denver, how do you know they're at 12,000 feet? They could be at any altitude.
Denver: They should be pencil thin! Also, the lapse rate shows contrails can't be at 12,000 so they MUST be chem! TAKE THAT!
Normal people: Denver, you understand as much about weather as a three year old understands about brain surgery. By the way, you never answered the queston of how you know those photos show contrails at 12,000.
Denver: NASA says that you have to have -45 degrees to have contrails. That can't be in Houston. Its hot and dry in Texas [Txcap comment here - how stupid is that, anyone who has ever been to Houston knows its the muggiest d@mn place in the world] so there can't be contrails! TAKE THAT!
Normal people: Isn't it odd, then, that there are CLOUDS in Texas. Clouds = Moisture.
Denver: Look at my photos!!!!
Normal people:
Denver: These are chemtrails, look at my photo's!
Normal people: No, those are CONtrails.
Denver: No they're NOT! Look at them in the photo! They're at 12,000 feet. How can they be contrails at 12,000 feet?!?! Take THAT!
Normal people: Denver, how do you know they're at 12,000 feet? They could be at any altitude.
Denver: They should be pencil thin! Also, the lapse rate shows contrails can't be at 12,000 so they MUST be chem! TAKE THAT!
Normal people: Denver, you understand as much about weather as a three year old understands about brain surgery. By the way, you never answered the queston of how you know those photos show contrails at 12,000.
Denver: NASA says that you have to have -45 degrees to have contrails. That can't be in Houston. Its hot and dry in Texas [Txcap comment here - how stupid is that, anyone who has ever been to Houston knows its the muggiest d@mn place in the world] so there can't be contrails! TAKE THAT!
Normal people: Isn't it odd, then, that there are CLOUDS in Texas. Clouds = Moisture.
Denver: Look at my photos!!!!
Normal people:
Typhoon1244
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Ok everybody....the gig is up.....he caught us.
They actually are chemical trails.........He has found out our secret.
ALL PILOTS ARE GASSING YOU. I used to think my gas problem was a localized effect after a large bean burrito, but after Denvers relentless pursuit of the truth he has discovered a secret bigger than the manhatten project! PILOTS ARE FARTING ON THE POPULATION OF AMERICA EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Afterall we have to pressurize the aircraft somehow, and we all know that airliners smell a little funny anyhow!
Some pilots have also stepped it up a notch and begun to remove their shoes during flight also.
By the way.......we all got together and caused the sun flares last week too!!!!!!! We needed the increased solar activity to really kick up the effect of our intestinal fragrance.
Hey Denver you also stumbled on to another secret........The reason we all wear dark suits......it is a protective garment in case our air-s#&t separater fails!!! UPS pilots are still in training and have had several messy mishaps with their A/S Sep. valves so that is the reason they wear the brown uniform.
By the way, the earth really is flat
Bumble bees are actually alien spacecraft
Chickens don't lay eggs, fairys stuff them up there.
The moon is made of old charcoal grill dust.
I am a polar bear with very good typing skills.
Cats used to run the planet.
Dogs took over and now run the planet.
They are watching you all the time Denver...........The web cam is posted on the pilots only webboard. Quit scratching yourself!
They actually are chemical trails.........He has found out our secret.
ALL PILOTS ARE GASSING YOU. I used to think my gas problem was a localized effect after a large bean burrito, but after Denvers relentless pursuit of the truth he has discovered a secret bigger than the manhatten project! PILOTS ARE FARTING ON THE POPULATION OF AMERICA EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Afterall we have to pressurize the aircraft somehow, and we all know that airliners smell a little funny anyhow!
Some pilots have also stepped it up a notch and begun to remove their shoes during flight also.
By the way.......we all got together and caused the sun flares last week too!!!!!!! We needed the increased solar activity to really kick up the effect of our intestinal fragrance.
Hey Denver you also stumbled on to another secret........The reason we all wear dark suits......it is a protective garment in case our air-s#&t separater fails!!! UPS pilots are still in training and have had several messy mishaps with their A/S Sep. valves so that is the reason they wear the brown uniform.
By the way, the earth really is flat
Bumble bees are actually alien spacecraft
Chickens don't lay eggs, fairys stuff them up there.
The moon is made of old charcoal grill dust.
I am a polar bear with very good typing skills.
Cats used to run the planet.
Dogs took over and now run the planet.
They are watching you all the time Denver...........The web cam is posted on the pilots only webboard. Quit scratching yourself!
EagleRJ
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MaverickGoose
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It's always fun to watch chemmies visit message forums and try to debate the reality of chemtrails. Their own message boards have long since been cleansed of the 'nonbelievers' and the general populace on these sites are quite happy to buy into the hoax promoters' stories.
I got into this whole deal after someone called my squadron one day and accused our F-16s of spraying them. After a little online research, I found a few message boards and tried to "be nice" to these folks and correct the zillion untruths that were being stated. Call me a masochist, but I put up with personal attacks and threats by these people for almost two years on their boards as I tried to inject some truth into the discussion. I finally snapped after 9/11 when these kooks started posting their "George W. orchestrated 9/11 and the military let him" conspiracy theories. Now, I just like to make fun of them.
Nearly all of the 'nonbelievers' who were banned from these other site all post now on my message board (as do a few of the people here under different names.) Stop by and visit every once in a while......we're always laughing at the latest comedic chemmie acts!
http://pub31.ezboard.com/bcontrailsandchemtrails22884
Anyway, great job fellow disnformation agents! Mr. Big will be giving us all great Christmas bonuses this year.
Mav
I got into this whole deal after someone called my squadron one day and accused our F-16s of spraying them. After a little online research, I found a few message boards and tried to "be nice" to these folks and correct the zillion untruths that were being stated. Call me a masochist, but I put up with personal attacks and threats by these people for almost two years on their boards as I tried to inject some truth into the discussion. I finally snapped after 9/11 when these kooks started posting their "George W. orchestrated 9/11 and the military let him" conspiracy theories. Now, I just like to make fun of them.
Nearly all of the 'nonbelievers' who were banned from these other site all post now on my message board (as do a few of the people here under different names.) Stop by and visit every once in a while......we're always laughing at the latest comedic chemmie acts!
http://pub31.ezboard.com/bcontrailsandchemtrails22884
Anyway, great job fellow disnformation agents! Mr. Big will be giving us all great Christmas bonuses this year.
Mav
I/ve got a couple questions for you Denver if you are still lurking about. What kind of planes are doing this? Civilian or Military? What kind of systems do they use to disburse the chemicals, i.e., are there added components to the aircraft? How many aircraft are taking part in this diabolical operation?
Typhoon1244
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Denver130, I'm getting a vibe here...
We had a guy show up on this forum about six months ago. He identified himself as a twenty-something British Airways Concorde first officer. The trouble was that his description of his career progression didn't make sense, and he was totally unable to answer any operational questions about the Concorde. He finally confessed to one of the moderators that he was a sixteen year old student pilot with a vivid imagination. He came here to try to feel like part of the aviation community. (If he'd only been honest, we'd have welcomed him...but that's another story.)
Now you, Denver, are demonstrating a level of ignorance about Earth science that is simply unbelievable in someone with a college education. In fact, you sound like a seventh-grade student. You're an engineer with ConocoPhillips? Not likely. I like to think that corporation wouldn't employ adults with such staggering neuroses and/or limited intellect.
So tell us, who are you, really? What grade are you in? Where are you from (since you know so little about Texas climate)? What do you hope to gain by bothering us with this "chemtrail" nonsense?
We had a guy show up on this forum about six months ago. He identified himself as a twenty-something British Airways Concorde first officer. The trouble was that his description of his career progression didn't make sense, and he was totally unable to answer any operational questions about the Concorde. He finally confessed to one of the moderators that he was a sixteen year old student pilot with a vivid imagination. He came here to try to feel like part of the aviation community. (If he'd only been honest, we'd have welcomed him...but that's another story.)
Now you, Denver, are demonstrating a level of ignorance about Earth science that is simply unbelievable in someone with a college education. In fact, you sound like a seventh-grade student. You're an engineer with ConocoPhillips? Not likely. I like to think that corporation wouldn't employ adults with such staggering neuroses and/or limited intellect.
So tell us, who are you, really? What grade are you in? Where are you from (since you know so little about Texas climate)? What do you hope to gain by bothering us with this "chemtrail" nonsense?
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