Chautauqua

[temcgrew]

It sounds like CHQ is economically doing well in this economy. And It sounds like the majors are taking advantage of it (american and others). I believe there is more to the issue than "negotiating power" to the major airline that one happens to work for. metro, I am the one that does not work in the airline environment but I do understand economics and I do know a little about the airline industry. If alpa would not have used their leverage to skyrocket the payscales of the top airlines, then maybe there would be more pilot positions at the majors right now. sure in times of plenty they can afford the payroll. that is becouse they can gouge the customers with last minute fares that would be cheaper for the pax to charter my learjet!! In the lean times the large and spacious airlines cannot do it, this is why so many of you airlines guys are standing in line wanting to fly for my on demand charter company.
If chautaugua(sp?) can prosper right now, I think it is fantastic. I do not believe they need your union nazi mentality trying to control what they do when you think the airline industry revolves around paying the pilots $300 per hour. I am glad that the economicly minded people are the ones running CHQ.
Now let me say that I do understand your opinion, and that is just it....an opinion....there are always two sides to every story. Everything that I said here is my opinion and, I could be miss representing the truth becouse I am not totally educated in the manner....just my opinion. and I am sure I will read your opinion about my opinion later on...."not that there is anything wrong with that!!"

 

[MetroSheriff]

UJ,

There is nothing wrong with your opinion. It is every bit as valid as mine.

Just to clarify, however, my issue is with codeshare not payrates. I think that you are correct in that many pilot groups have focused too much on hourly rates and not enough on job security issues. It is that which I would like to see us endeavor to fix.

Some pilots are paid too much, and some pilots are paid to little. We "all" have to little job security, and codeshare is the BIGGEST threat to us all.

Thanks for the thoughtfull tone of your post.

 

[dogg]

Here is the deal: Fying does not " belong to anyone" and all airlines will do whatever it takes to be profitable ( as it is defined by that particular airline ) and to return a benefit to it's shareholders. So for pilots to run around and claim flying and claim airplanes and point fingers at each other and call each other names is just plain pointless.
This is not to say that there are not a bunch of arrogant SOB's running the various airlines (as has been neatly demonstrated by AA, UAL, DAL, USAIR etc. playing one upsmanship with each other and bankrupting their various airlines) but you all just work there, you don't own it and in general you will do as you are told or you will go work somewhere else. Contracts with pilots are one small part of the big picture for airline managers and believe me they don't expend a lot of energy on them.
So here is a thought, if you enjoy your line of work then go to work, be safe, be legal, and be efficient. Learn your trade, try to make your place of work better if you can, be happy if you still have a job. One thing you can be sure of, this is not just a repeating cycle that we are in. RJ's of whatever size can and do replace mainline jets and are not going away and the airline world is not going to go back to the rampant excess that it experienced through the 90's . The low cost carriers of today are smarter and better than they have ever been and they are going to take away and keep market share from the big guys. Fractional flying while it is expanding into excess right now, will correct and take away the cream from the big guys. So for the big guys that survive, there will be much less expansion and there will be a big push to increase the productivity of the various work groups.

Be sure of one thing, the day is coming when the majority of airline pilots fly for 50/70/90 seat operators. So I suggest that you read Flying THE LINE vol 1. It relates to the spirit of a union which is what is needed at this time. And realize that we are not all going to work for large jet majors, a lot of us will retire from the small jet majors.

All of that said, this is still the best doggone way to make a living that I can think of and for those of us who can afford to put in the time and wait for a better day or accept the compensation that we now make as adequate it is a great thing. And for all who have to go into other fields to pay for life, families etc. that is indeed a shame but it is also life and that is how it goes..... good luck all

 

[erjdriver]

Capt Crunch

you really need to learn how to spell man, and you should also add a math class (a low common denominator actually increases the product number). Since you're at it, why don't you add an anger management course.

Cheers.

 

[temcgrew]

thanks metro. I was hesitant to jump in and fuel the fire with what could be an ignorant comment. Your not so bad! talk to ya later.

 

[Surfpilot]

Don't bring Earnhardt into this.

 

[Corbon]

Posted by Capt. Crunch

do you know the meaning of the word whore? Because thats what you are doing. Go ahead and show up at coex. You will receive a WARM welcome. (read piss in your water bottle). The point is if YOUR pilot group we not the lowest bidder and whores to YOUR managment, the Mainline carriers would not farm out work(read: alter ego) to you. AND dont tell me that those routes belong to CAL not XJT. I was hired buy CONTINENTAL EXPRESS. A DIVISION of CAL. I worked my a$$ off on the last contract for a flough-through. IT IS MY FLIPPING FLYING. ANd your pressence is NOT WELCOME! DOnt think you are mng whores.....hummm what about your furlough pilots who were fired and then hired back out of senority. If you had the BALLs to TRY to get with ALPA maybe I might stand the site of you!

Speaking of whores, dude, you need some poontang in a bad way. Head down to the corner, pick her up (or him), grab a six-pack on the way back to the crashpad and nail em until you're cross-eyed. Then come back and post. You'll thank me for it.

 

[Corbon]

WOW dude your right I feel so much better. And your wife wasnt nearly as fat as I thought she would be!

I'm single so you must have nailed the maid. You're right, the black maid outfit does have a certain "trimming" look to it. She was always too hairy for me but a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do. Oh, Gretta said to thank you for having low standards. She said it was the happiest 2 minutes shes had in 45 years. Shes washing dishes like a 30 year old now! Thank YOU!!

 

[Corbon]

you married her man

I didn't marry her. Origionally I thought I found a stray monkey. Found out monkey could cook so I let her hang around the house.

 

[dogg]

Crunch, nice thoughtful reply. Now listen carefully--- you are a blue collar employee of your airline---- so no you do not own "it "nor do you own flying. Delta or American or where ever you work owns "it" and they will do with "it" as they see fit. Such as contract "it " out. The friggin nerve of people who say they own there job....