Chautauqua or ASA

[73belair]

Look around. ASA has 25 airplanes coming next year. 7(?) ATRs going away. The rest of the leases are up in 2007 (I think) and they have no plans on having them past that. Upgrades are getting longer and longer, and will soon be in line with Comair. CHQ you might upgrade faster, but you might not. However check out airlinepilotpay.com and you'll see where it’s better to be sitting as an FO. Our contract may not move our pay much, but like said above. Our 1998 contract pays more than CHQ, and a lot of others, pay on their latest contract. There is need for improvement at ASA, but we are above a LOT of the regionals out there.

 

[Sphrynxlla]

thanks alot for all of the advice. I guess either of them are a gamble today. Kinda makes it tough to leave a current job you have that is fairely secure

 

[KingAirer]

Also, it boils down to where you want to live. CHQ, in my opinion, has too many bases

To the original poster. If you like what both companies have to offer, go with the one that give you a class date first.

 

[Axel]

And be prepared to take flak in either case because, regardless of which you choose, your job will not be up to someone else's standards.

 

[Sphrynxlla]

thats true... well i dont have an interview with ASA yet, but i think im extremely competitive for it. so i wouldnt be surprised to hear from them soon. i have around 1300 TT 9multi 350jet

 

[TWAER]

TAKE THE FIRST JOB YOU ARE OFFERED. Getting a job in the airlines today is a HUGE gamble. There are too many "what ifs" surrounding every airline. The only safe bet to me is SWA. But that could all change next week. Quick upgrade today gone tomorrow. Wholly owned today maybe not next year. Too many variables to think about. Take the first one and hold on for the ride.

 

[rattler]

ASA, it is that simple. You are going to be there for a very long time, so pick the choice that has the better long term outlook. ASA will also get a new contract, with potentially big raises within the next year or two. CHQ is locked into their current contract for the next 5 yrs (I believe it is 5, not sure). Then add on a min of 2 years to negotiate, (thanks to our BS provisions under the RLA), and they will see their next contact in 2011 or 2012. At any rate, go where you will be happy for at least 5 years or for possibly your career.

 

[711-24-7]

I am sure you have heard it before go for the lifestyle. ASA will get effected by DAL's outcome but think about it if DAL is getting smaller ASA and Comair will grow they will use small and more efficient planes to get people to their hubs to get on the big planes. CHQ might get effected with Us airways and DAL.

On top of that just like everyone is saying ASA does have good contract and yes it is growing. Who know if DAL goes under and our 70 seater clause goes away we might turn those next 25 50seaters we are getting into 70seaters. The way I see it(my own personal opinion) I think ASA will grow instead of going backwards.

And think about do you want ALPA to back you up or those train people TEAMSTERS to back you up that is the reason CHQ pilots arent paid much. Becuase ALPA knows how to negoitiate. Again personal opinion.

GO FOR LIFESTYLE.......

 

[BoilerUP]

And think about do you want ALPA to back you up or those train people TEAMSTERS to back you up that is the reason CHQ pilots arent paid much. Becuase ALPA knows how to negoitiate. Again personal opinion.

Not to knock ALPA, but if the bold statement is so true, whats that whole RJDC thing all about?

 

[KingAirer]

CHQ is locked into their current contract for the next 5 yrs (I believe it is 5, not sure).

It was a 4 year deal signed 1 year ago. 3 years left, 2.5 until renegotiations start.

And think about do you want ALPA to back you up or those train people TEAMSTERS to back you up that is the reason CHQ pilots arent paid much. Becuase ALPA knows how to negoitiate

This isnt a Mesa bash at all, But Mesa Is ALPA, right?

 

[TWAER]

ASA, it is that simple. You are going to be there for a very long time, so pick the choice that has the better long term outlook. ASA will also get a new contract, with potentially big raises within the next year or two. CHQ is locked into their current contract for the next 5 yrs (I believe it is 5, not sure). Then add on a min of 2 years to negotiate, (thanks to our BS provisions under the RLA), and they will see their next contact in 2011 or 2012. At any rate, go where you will be happy for at least 5 years or for possibly your career.

See my post above. If DAL goes chapter 11, you:

1. may not be wholly owned for long
2. may not get that "big contract you want"

Like I said, you cannot tell me or anyone the long-term stability of any airline let alone regionals.

 

[Mtnjam]

website?

Does anyone have website info or know how to apply with ASA??? Are they listed under another name on aviationinterviews.com?

 

[CF34-3B1]

Does anyone have website info or know how to apply with ASA??? Are they listed under another name on aviationinterviews.com?

http://www.delta.com/prog_serv/delta_connection/asa/employment/pilots/index.jsp

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Comair goes on strike for 89 days. Gambles it all.

Cha pilots say, "hey! lets go cheap and maybe we can get some of the flying Comair is going to do !".



This is the kind of people you would be associated with.

Not a single FO I fly with has a good thing to say about the CHa pilots when we see one of their planes at our terminal in CVG.

Usually it is something in the order of "scumbags, whores, back stabbers".

Just telling you how it is.

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

hmmmm..

Go to CHQ. I have worked for ASA for almost 2 years. The QOL at ASA is horrible. Reserve sucks, most lines are built around 75 hours with 10 days off... I looked at CHQ lines commuting to work one day and they are much, much better than ours. We have no min day or duty rigs. If those things change in the new contract, ASA will be a good regional. I think if you compare a capt at CHQ and one at ASA i would bet the CHQ pilot makes more money flying the 90 hour lines and getting many more than 10 days off. Yes i know the top 15% of the lines at ASA are great...... ASA 300 hr wonder pilots flame away..