Chautauqua and Non-uninons

[skygirls]

Just a few questions for those who are interested. I have an upcoming interview with Chautauqua and have been reading the information posted about "Republic Airways." I don't understand how anyone could call a pilot a "scab" because they work for Chautauqua when Chat. is unionized? If Republic is formed how will this effect Chautauqua pilots and will they be given a bad name in the industry even though they are not flying for Republic Airways?

Thanks ahead of time!!

 

[BE90CPT]

It will be in everyone's interest if Republic does not begin. It is still being fought over.

And no, it will not make you look bad working for them. What it may do is keep you from moving up with much speed.

I would like some feedback on this, but from my understanding.

Chq pilots have 3 options.

1. Accept the Jets for Jobs idea. (limits how many a/c can be used)

2. Fight off the Republic airline deal.

3. Fight off both the J4J and the Republic idea.

Now here is my question. If you accept the J4J idea. When the airline begins to recall the furlouged pilots, which they eventually will, do those a/c being used return to mainline CHQ pilots? Next question. IF Republic airline is formed, will the pilots being used there ONLY be furloughed pilots? if not, then accepthing the J4J would be the best idea? I could sure use some imput on these thoughts please

 

[BE90CPT]

One more thing to add.

Before all the layoffs and cutbacks, when did the Major Airlines and Unions EVER care what happened with the commuters? besides Continetal Express did any other Major have any kind of "Flow through" aggrement with any Commuter airline?

It seems that ALPA only cares about the Major Airline Pilots. Now that so many of them are on the streets, now they expect the commuter airlines to help them out. I would consider some kind of aggreement with the j4j proposition ONLY if it also contained wording that would create a solid flow-through program to the Major airline once the economy improves and all furloughed pilots are recalled.

J4J is perhaps not totally a bad idea. It might be possible to use it as a bit of leverage for improving the contracts and future flying for commuter pilots.

 

[pilotdad]

It is my understanding that if Republic is formed, it will be staffed by furloughed US pilots only. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[BE90CPT]

That is Correct. It will be staffed only by US Airways Furloughed Pilots...


I think what the US Airways Furloughed Pilots will be doing by accepting jobs with Republic is CREATING A NEW KIND OF SCAB PILOT.

Yes, i said it... These Pilots are a new ugly breed of SCABS!!!!!!!!

 

[BoredToDeath]

That is Correct. It will be staffed only by US Airways Furloughed Pilots...


I think what the US Airways Furloughed Pilots will be doing by accepting jobs with Republic is CREATING A NEW KIND OF SCAB PILOT.

Yes, i said it... These Pilots are a new ugly breed of SCABS!!!!!!!!

Simmer Down. Before you start calling the furloughed Mainline guys scabs let me through this out to ya.

EVERY ROUTE that an RJ is on right now was a mainline route that has been given to the contract carriers that operate jets. ALL FUTURE RJ routes will have been mainline routes that these guys used to fly before it was outsourced to contract carriers and they were furloughed.

The contract carriers are enjoying growth at the US AIRWAYS GROUP expense. I say let them staff republic with the furloughed guys, its THIER FLYING TO BEGIN WITH.

 

[BE90CPT]

OK, let's say the routes were US Airways mainline routes. That's true, but US Airways chose to remove those routes from mainline. Why, because they could not operate them profitably. If you own a business with several locations and one is not profitable you get rid of it. You don't later come back and say, hey, that's my business.
Keep the routes in the company. That is good business sence. Taking a job that undercuts the company ALREADY servicing those routes just because ALPA say's you can does not make it OK. It makes you no better than a SCAB!!!!! it's all predetory behavior... you know it comming in, its no big suprise. JUST SAY NO!!!!!

 

[BoredToDeath]

I agree they aren't scabs... however, they are undercutting the industry by taking a 1000% pay cut (however much it really is) to fly the same routes they used to be making six figures on. How is it that these pilots went from six figure major airline pilots to regional pilots who are undercutting another regional?

Everything going on with the J4J deal and Mesa is absoutely astounding to me. I mean, the airline history has been burned by many things (Frank Lorenzo is the first thing that pops to my mind, among others), but to have pilots undercutting pilots for flight time is amazing. Self respect anyone?

We all expect in our careers that you need to work your way up. I know I do... there is a long road ahead. You do what it takes to move up to bigger and better every day. Even at your own company... making it profitable to get larger planes, more planes, more routes, etc. Now though it seems like a lot of pilots are working themselves into a career bell curve...

however, they are undercutting the industry by taking a 1000% pay cut (however much it really is) to fly the same routes they used to be making six figures on.

It's a viciuos cycle. Remember that contract carriers have undercut the mainline pilots pilots for years. Thats one of the many reasons they are on the street right now and we are not. I guess what comes around really does go around.

How is it that these pilots went from six figure major airline pilots to regional pilots who are undercutting another regional?

Because Mgt found a way to bring costs down. Furlough the people who are making a good living and give their work to someone else(contract carriers), then make them fight for their jobs with the contract carriers.

but to have pilots undercutting pilots for flight time is amazing. Self respect anyone?

This is why there NEVER should have been any kind of contracting. All flying, from a 1900 to A330 should have been done by ONE PILOT GROUP and ONE COMPANY.

 

[Brother Francis]

Boredtodeath said:
"All flying, from a 1900 to A330 should have been done by ONE PILOT GROUP and ONE COMPANY."

Which begs the question:

Why is it not?

The answer may surprise you.

 

[Concierj]

Simmer Down. Before you start calling the furloughed Mainline guys scabs let me through this out to ya.

EVERY ROUTE that an RJ is on right now was a mainline route that has been given to the contract carriers that operate jets. ALL FUTURE RJ routes will have been mainline routes that these guys used to fly before it was outsourced to contract carriers and they were furloughed.

The contract carriers are enjoying growth at the US AIRWAYS GROUP expense. I say let them staff republic with the furloughed guys, its THIER FLYING TO BEGIN WITH.

Not a true statement. I agree, however, that several former mainline routes are now flown by smaller equipment, DO-328's included.

 

[BoredToDeath]

OK, let's say the routes were US Airways mainline routes. That's true, but US Airways chose to remove those routes from mainline. Why, because they could not operate them profitably. If you own a business with several locations and one is not profitable you get rid of it. You don't later come back and say, hey, that's my business.
Keep the routes in the company. That is good business sence. Taking a job that undercuts the company ALREADY servicing those routes just because ALPA say's you can does not make it OK. It makes you no better than a SCAB!!!!! it's all predetory behavior... you know it comming in, its no big suprise. JUST SAY NO!!!!!

but US Airways chose to remove those routes from mainline. Why, because they could not operate them profitably

I'll give you that. US Airways has not so much a Major Airline network, but rather one of a Super Regional Airline with Some international flying. This comes from years of virtually no growth.

You don't later come back and say, hey, that's my business.

All express flying is mainline flying on loan to someone else. It will come and go like the wind. The mainline MEC is watching out for their furloughed brothers. If the company plans to expand the express network and gain profits, you better belive that the furloughed pilots are going to reap some of that reward.

Taking a job that undercuts the company ALREADY servicing those routes just because ALPA say's you can does not make it OK. It makes you no better than a SCAB!!!!! it's all predetory behavior... you know it comming in, its no big suprise. JUST SAY NO!!!!!

Its funny but the WOs say the same thing about the contract carriers. Makes ya think don't it?

One thing remains constant though. There will be more surprises' to come.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Not a true statement. I agree, however, that several former mainline routes are now flown by smaller equipment, DO-328's included.

I made a few statements, which would you say is not true?

And yes a few of those routes are a 328. I do not claim that the US AIRWAYS EXPRESS GROUP COMPANIES, ie PDT, ALG , and PSA are not flying segments that used to be mainline. But then again, there was usually a mainline jet and a WO on the same route and to this day many of the places that the WO's fly to have a mainline flight as well except of course in places where the mainline flight has been replaced with an RJ or two.

And remember the WOs are not contract employement Mainline and the three WO's make up the US AIRWAYS GROUP. The flying needs to stay within the GROUP.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Boredtodeath said:
"All flying, from a 1900 to A330 should have been done by ONE PILOT GROUP and ONE COMPANY."

Which begs the question:

Why is it not?

The answer may surprise you.

Oh there's no surprise. The major airline pilots of yesteryear(sp?) lacked vision. But all you need to do is look at say BahamasAir for an example. Dash8's and 73's all under one roof and it works. Even AirJamaca operates TwinOtters and Airbuses under one list. The question is how do these companies make it work and the good ole U.S. of A. can't.

 

[Concierj]

EVERY ROUTE that an RJ is on right now was a mainline route that has been given to the contract carriers that operate jets.

 

[BoredToDeath]

EVERY ROUTE that an RJ is on right now was a mainline route that has been given to the contract carriers that operate jets.

I think you would be "hard pressed" to look at any flight that an RJ is on right now and tell me that it did'nt replace a mainline flight, aside from any areas where mainline never operated, and in which case the RJ replaced a WO.