Ok, yeah that last post I made maybe wasn't with the best tact. I'm sorry I made the post now that I looked at it over again. The point I was trying to drive at was, no pilot group is any better than the other and each has skeletons in the closet. I hope no one has to deal with an incident or accident, and to tell you the truth I'm really tired of people celebrating over another pilot group's misfortune. I think this board and my company board has finally taken it's toll on me. I'm giving it up after 5 years of being on this board, I'm hanging up the mouse. Flylike44, if you seriously feel you have to post my name and number so be it. Anyone of you can call me up and we'll go have a drink on me. Good luck everybody with flying, life, and a decent contract. Mods, you know what to do.