Change is in the air at XOJET...

[Pattern-Master]

I was always under the impression that XOJet was a good place to work at with good management, i even had my application on file with them for some time now. After reading some of those reviews i don't even know if i would interview there if given the opportunity. Beside the schedule, it seems like just another typical abusing 135 operation.

 

[t-bone]

After reading some of those reviews i don't even know if i would interview there if given the opportunity.

This actually would be helpful. We need pressure applied from the recruiting side of things. So long as we have "thousands of apps on file" and we still have guys recommending their own friends to work here, the incentive to make change for the better has been minimal.

 

[gunfyter]

I really think that is going to change over time...

I am with YIP on the coming pilot shortage. My son is just starting flight training now and I am helping him with his private. He's hoping to get a pilot slot with Navy or Marines ... but the idea of spending several tens of thousands on flight training on your own for an iffy career ... I don't think there will be enough takers

 

[jmreii]

This actually would be helpful. We need pressure applied from the recruiting side of things. So long as we have "thousands of apps on file" and we still have guys recommending their own friends to work here, the incentive to make change for the better has been minimal.

Businesses in which recruit with the in-lock-step method is a double edge sword because if a company is operating a good business model no problem. The downside is a business operating a poor business model recruiting people who think like them make change difficult.

 

[X-rated]

Businesses in which recruit with the in-lock-step method is a double edge sword because if a company is operating a good business model no problem. The downside is a business operating a poor business model recruiting people who think like them make change difficult.

Yeah... What jmreii said... f'in Vietnam!!!... wait, what?

 

[X-rated]

Sorry jmreii,

Way too many beers tonight in the city of lights.

 

[eightdriver]

If the pilots there are flying so cheap, then you would think they could hire a few extra to make the schedules less brutal.... I've been in the pool for 1 year, still no idea of any future class dates.

 

[BushwickBill]

If the pilots there are flying so cheap, then you would think they could hire a few extra to make the schedules less brutal.... I've been in the pool for 1 year, still no idea of any future class dates.

If my math is correct the pilot group at least on the X side is overpaid by nearly 400k. The problem is a glut of captains. I would not expect any movement. Hiring may begin if enough copilots leave.

 

[Paradoxus]

I heard XO cut fifteen guys from the team the other day.

 

[BushwickBill]

I heard XO cut fifteen guys from the team the other day.

Moral of the story: always listen to BushwickBill

http://youtu.be/KLnbQZnBeCw

 

[Paradoxus]

Moral of the story: always listen to BushwickBill

http://youtu.be/KLnbQZnBeCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MBaEEODzU0

 

[fugazi]

http://youtu.be/RXPRr7cJwlg

 

[Gators]

Were the cuts made out of seniority?

 

[BushwickBill]

Were the cuts made out of seniority?

Likely they will be. Reverse seniority was mentioned but it isn't operationally possible (all cut from one fleet).

Find out at the end of the month.

 

[t-bone]

Were the cuts made out of seniority?

According to our DO and our CEO, 10-15 furloughs will be strictly done in reverse seniority order, irrespective of fleet. The last class of new hires all went to the Challenger, so they are most vulnerable. Our new CEO is respecting seniority during this process, with full recall rights being offered, which is a huge improvement over how things were handled in 2008. A voluntary buyout package has been offered, but with such a short time frame to make the decision, it sounds like there are few takers.

With the departure of the 7 Hawkers and the decision to not buy the 3 additional super-mids we had already hired for, we find ourselves with too many pilots. I have not heard of any Citations or Challengers departing the fleet. There is potential for downgrades as well, depending on the mix of buyout takers vs furloughs.

While we all feel like we just got punched in the gut by this news, at least it is being handled fairly and transparently. A marked improvement over how previous management handled things.

 

[Gators]

Good to hear, hope everyone lands on their feet...

 

[gret]

Sorry to hear about this...

 

[BushwickBill]

According to our DO and our CEO, 10-15 furloughs will be strictly done in reverse seniority order, irrespective of fleet. The last class of new hires all went to the Challenger, so they are most vulnerable. Our new CEO is respecting seniority during this process, with full recall rights being offered, which is a huge improvement over how things were handled in 2008. A voluntary buyout package has been offered, but with such a short time frame to make the decision, it sounds like there are few takers.

With the departure of the 7 Hawkers and the decision to not buy the 3 additional super-mids we had already hired for, we find ourselves with too many pilots. I have not heard of any Citations or Challengers departing the fleet. There is potential for downgrades as well, depending on the mix of buyout takers vs furloughs.

While we all feel like we just got punched in the gut by this news, at least it is being handled fairly and transparently. A marked improvement over how previous management handled things.

If the 10-15 come from the 300 how will XOJET staff the fleet?

How will this address the problem the hawker street captains created - a 63% captain ratio on the X and a 64% ratio on the 300?

This represents nearly 10 captains too many = 400k overpaid = the reason guys with families are losing jobs.

 

[eightdriver]

"The 3 aircraft we already hired for" ???? I don't believe they actually ever hired for those 3 extra aircraft.... That's what us guys in the pool were supposed to get hired for.... Oh well, back to resume land.

 

[t-bone]

If the 10-15 come from the 300 how will XOJET staff the fleet?

How will this address the problem the hawker street captains created - a 63% captain ratio on the X and a 64% ratio on the 300?

This represents nearly 10 captains too many = 400k overpaid = the reason guys with families are losing jobs.

No idea dude. Ask Blake. I don't see how we are overstaffed either, unless there are plans to take planes out of the rotation for interior refurbishment. The "overstaffed" idea comes from way above my pay grade.