Chalks

[Steveair]

I Don't Get It

According to everyone, the wing "fell off."

What I don't understand is that if the wing fell off, why didn't the aircraft spiral? It looked like she went down in a wings level attitude. Doesn't make sense to me...

Your thoughts??

 

[AngelKing]

According to everyone, the wing "fell off."

What I don't understand is that if the wing fell off, why didn't the aircraft spiral? It looked like she went down in a wings level attitude. Doesn't make sense to me...

Your thoughts??

Deleted by me, because of stupidity on my part.

AK

 

[avbug]

I am resigning from Masonry.

That explains a lot.

But it doesn't address the thread topic which you started. How's that blood pressure?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

According to everyone, the wing "fell off."

What I don't understand is that if the wing fell off, why didn't the aircraft spiral? It looked like she went down in a wings level attitude. Doesn't make sense to me...

Your thoughts??

Answer:

Because the weight of the Bahamians plus their christmas shopping bags added stability to the plane as it headed back toward Earth. Whole lotta weight on that airplane, hurricane force winds couldn't get it to spiral

 

[avbug]

Those were passengers, people, who died. Perhaps you forgot that in your haste to be ignorant.

 

[Spooky 1]

Yes, I'd say it probably does...but it also makes for some bragging rights. And it dates you.

The airplane really was not that old and neither was I at the time thank you,

 

[avbug]

at the time

Okay, how about bragging rights. I don't know too many folks these days who have comet time. It's okay to be old if you can brag about it, right?

Old pilots, bold pilots...and very few comet pilots.

I don't get to poke fun on an age-related basis, very often. Were the taxiway lights still using kerosine then? (kidding).

 

[AngelKing]

That explains a lot.

But it doesn't address the thread topic which you started. How's that blood pressure?

Blood pressure is fine. Thanks for asking, and for your concern. And what would you like to know about the thread topic I started?

As far as the masonry comment, there are those that know and those that think they know, and the gap is usually very wide. Not saying which side you are on, but that is usually the way it works.

AK:beer:

 

[Spooky 1]

Okay, how about bragging rights. I don't know too many folks these days who have comet time. It's okay to be old if you can brag about it, right?

Old pilots, bold pilots...and very few comet pilots.

I don't get to poke fun on an age-related basis, very often. Were the taxiway lights still using kerosine then? (kidding).

No, but I do remember a lighted airway that ran from around Dagget to Las Vegas. I think they decommissioned it sometime around 1962.

 

[FN FAL]

What I don't understand is that if the wing fell off, why didn't the aircraft spiral? It looked like she went down in a wings level attitude. Doesn't make sense to me...

Your thoughts??

think about it?

You're standing with your arms sticking straight out and on each arm, you have three cooters. You're balanced and stable, life is good and you're a happy guy.

So for the sake of argument, once again, you've got three cooters on each arm and the three cooters on your right arm jump off. What are you going to do to maintian your balance? Compensate, right?

When the wing left the plane, they did just like anyone else would do, they compensated for the roll by moving the yoke. I'd also bet that they used the rudder to help keep the plane under control as well.

In your question on spiriling, you'd have to assume that the pilots were left with absolutely no control what so ever over the aircraft.

If a plane rolls right, you naturally put in inputs to keep it from happening...a natural reaction for experienced pilots. Those inputs could include using the ailerons (or what's left of your ailerons), the rudder and reducing power on the operating engine.

 

[mar]

This thread has finally gone from bad to worse.

You guys are posting stuff that doesn't mean anything.

The plane did spiral. Look closer.

 

[AngelKing]

You guys are posting stuff that doesn't mean anything.

The plane did spiral. Look closer.

Doesn't most of the post here not mean anythng?

AK

 

[AngelKing]

think about it?

You're standing with your arms sticking straight out and on each arm, you have three cooters. You're balanced and stable, life is good and you're a happy guy.

So for the sake of argument, once again, you've got three cooters on each arm and the three cooters on your right arm jump off. What are you going to do to maintian your balance? Compensate, right?

When the wing left the plane, they did just like anyone else would do, they compensated for the roll by moving the yoke. I'd also bet that they used the rudder to help keep the plane under control as well.

In your question on spiriling, you'd have to assume that the pilots were left with absolutely no control what so ever over the aircraft.

If a plane rolls right, you naturally put in inputs to keep it from happening...a natural reaction for experienced pilots. Those inputs could include using the ailerons (or what's left of your ailerons), the rudder and reducing power on the operating engine.

Everything you just said is true. A private pilot understands that much. But if a wing comes off, along with the aileron cables on that side, would you still have use of the left aileron on a Mallard? Also it seems using your theory, if they could keep the wings level using aileron and rudder. why not use the elevator and land normally. Obviously they could not do that.

AK

 

[mar]

Obviously!

...if they could keep the wings level using aileron and rudder. why not use the elevator and land normally. Obviously they could not do that.

Did you see the video? One wing *separated*. They spriraled out of control.

Give me a break. Why bother discussing the impossible?

 

[AngelKing]

Did you see the video? One wing *separated*. They spriraled out of control.

Give me a break. Why bother discussing the impossible?

Why so hostile? relax. I did see a video, the video I saw did not show it spiraling. Maybe there are others out there.

AK

 

[FN FAL]

Everything you just said is true. A private pilot understands that much. But if a wing comes off, along with the aileron cables on that side, would you still have use of the left aileron on a Mallard? Also it seems using your theory, if they could keep the wings level using aileron and rudder. why not use the elevator and land normally. Obviously they could not do that.

AK

We can hypothesize that the crew had enough control and the composure to keep the plane from cartwheeling. Or, we can hypothesize that the crew was screaming and flailing their hands in the air just like the passengers and that the flight path of the aircraft was determined by other factors.

 

[AngelKing]

We can hypothesize that the crew had enough control and the composure to keep the plane from cartwheeling. Or, we can hypothesize that the crew was screaming and flailing their hands in the air just like the passengers and that the flight path of the aircraft was determined by other factors.

Don't let your buddy avbug catch you using the word "hypothesize" , we will never hear the end of it.

AK

 

[FN FAL]

Don't let your buddy avbug catch you using the word "hypothesize" , we will never hear the end of it.

AK

As long as our posts make grating sounds in his head, we have our Christmas present.

 

[mar]

Short fuse

Why so hostile?

Hey friend, I'm not the one with a gun for an avatar.

Guess I've got a pretty short fuse when it comes to speculative masturbation. I suggest you look at the video a little closer. There's a lot of smoke but what's left of the airframe looks like a falling leaf.

 

[AngelKing]

As long as our posts make grating sounds in his head, we have our Christmas present.

I am trying to walk the straight and narrrow and I am being pulled yet again!



:beer:

AK

 

[Spooky 1]

I am trying to walk the straight and narrrow and I am being pulled yet again!



:beer:

AK

Do either of you guys do anything productive or do you just sit around and try to think up reasons post?

 

[AngelKing]

Hey friend, I'm not the one with a gun for an avatar.

Guess I've got a pretty short fuse when it comes to speculative masturbation. I suggest you look at the video a little closer. There's a lot of smoke but what's left of the airframe looks like a falling leaf.

Whats does an AKM/47 have to do with a posting.?And in all fairness, Not everyone is going to have earthshattering post that changes the world. It must intrigue you or you wouldn't keep posting here yourself.

AK

 

[AngelKing]

Do either of you guys do anything productive or do you just sit around and try to think up reasons post?

And I guess you have nothing productive to do but sit around and read these meaningless post? chill, relax.

AK

 

[Spooky 1]

I have a video that I would like to share. Don't know how to attach it. Can you help me out with this?

 

[AngelKing]

I have a video that I would like to share. Don't know how to attach it. Can you help me out with this?

I don't have a clue how to attach a video, I 'm sure someone can come up with the answer.

AK

 

[FN FAL]

Do either of you guys do anything productive or do you just sit around and try to think up reasons post?

I have wifi, so I can prop my head up and lay on the waterbed and think up reasons to post, or I can go back in the office and sit at my desk and think up reasons to post, or I can sit here on this leather couch in front of the tv and watch comedy central and think up reasons to post.

It's your choice, I'm only working 4 days over the holidays, so don't be bashful. Heck, I could even go think up posts from the kitchen if you want.

 

[AngelKing]

I have wifi, so I can prop my head up and lay on the waterbed and think up reasons to post, or I can go back in the office and sit at my desk and think up reasons to post, or I can sit here on this leather couch in front of the tv and watch comedy central and think up reasons to post.

It's your choice, I'm only working 4 days over the holidays, so don't be bashful. Heck, I could even go think up posts from the kitchen if you want.

:laugh:


AK

 

[FN FAL]

I have a video that I would like to share. Don't know how to attach it. Can you help me out with this?

Is it your video or is it a video that you saw on the internet?

If it's on the web, you can simply scroll and paste the web address and we'll be able to see it by clicking on the hyperlink you create for us or we'll be able to scroll and paste the address into our browsers and find it ourselves.

Better yet, what's the name of the video, I can find anything on the net if it exists.

 

[Spooky 1]

Is it your video or is it a video that you saw on the internet?

If it's on the web, you can simply scroll and paste the web address and we'll be able to see it by clicking on the hyperlink you create for us or we'll be able to scroll and paste the address into our browsers and find it ourselves.

Better yet, what's the name of the video, I can find anything on the net if it exists.

No it was sent to me as an email attachment. It's currently residing on my desk top as a stand alone item. Pretty good video of a Gruman Goose have a real bad day. My pasting rules say that I am not allowed to post? WTF does that mean?

 

[Publishers]

Avbug -- let's not get in a dander here over this kind of stuff.